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Is Keir Starmer too boring to be prime minister?

336 replies

Tulipsroses · 29/12/2023 09:34

I was reading an article in the Spectator this morning. Interesting to hear what people think.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-too-boring-to-be-prime-minister/

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jgw1 · 30/12/2023 09:56

Zonder · 30/12/2023 09:53

You seem to have a very narrow view of what is bad for women.

Its just another in the line of reasons one has to vote Tory, much like But Jeremy Corbyn, Brexit, Keir's Beer.
Some people simply like to be ruled by those they think are better and doff their cap to them.

EasternStandard · 30/12/2023 09:55

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:53

Worse than that I expect. They'll be so financially hamstrung by economic constraints that I predict that they'll go the extra mile with gender bollocks - because it will demonstrate that SOMETHING has happened, it is free and it's only costly to women.

Yes you’re likely right. There’s no funding but they will have the captured MPs gunning for something. Captured institutions are already there and will appreciate not being challenged and only one half of the media are not actively TRA

TiredArse · 30/12/2023 09:55

Dull but competent is preferable to the current shitshow.

jgw1 · 30/12/2023 09:53

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:49

That's what you want women to vote for, to give up material reality for, not even five pieces of silver - just for everything to stay the same?

Staying the same, as I said in the post you replied to, would be a significant improvement on the erosion of rights and quality of living that have characterised the past 13 years.

SutWytTi · 30/12/2023 09:53

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:49

That's what you want women to vote for, to give up material reality for, not even five pieces of silver - just for everything to stay the same?

I don't think it would stay the same. I think it would improve.

There is much that can be done, for example, through employment laws and childcare and prioritisation of rape/DV services etc that are not about increased spending but about giving a shit what a woman's life is like.

The Tories have demonstrated since 2010 that they are happy to erode women;s rights, support and opportunities. They have done it systematically and consistently whilst claiming they care about women.

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:53

EasternStandard · 30/12/2023 09:50

Sadly some are for this outcome. The expected gender ideology from Labour is wanted. There won’t be extra funding so just gender as the difference.

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Worse than that I expect. They'll be so financially hamstrung by economic constraints that I predict that they'll go the extra mile with gender bollocks - because it will demonstrate that SOMETHING has happened, it is free and it's only costly to women.

Zonder · 30/12/2023 09:53

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:39

Still no?

You seem to have a very narrow view of what is bad for women.

SirVixofVixHall · 30/12/2023 09:52

AIstolemylunch · 29/12/2023 09:38

I don't care that he's boring. I do care that he's inept, ineffective and presides over a cabinet that includes people who think men can have cervixes.

This.
Also when he did the webchat on here he was so spineless. I lost al respect for him at that point.

BIossomtoes · 30/12/2023 09:51

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:48

More calm down dear? Wow. Nice.

No, disagreement. You really don’t like people not being sucked in by your bollocks, do you?

EasternStandard · 30/12/2023 09:50

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:42

Try again - women as a biology, women as a sex class, women in health services, women in sport, children in school, free speech, safeguarding....you'd throw all this away because you are too dim or reluctant to see the issue at play.

Sadly some are for this outcome. The expected gender ideology from Labour is wanted. There won’t be extra funding so just gender as the difference.

jgw1 · 30/12/2023 09:50

BIossomtoes · 30/12/2023 09:47

That’s melodramatic bollocks. You lose the argument when you resort to insulting people who don’t agree with you. Thing is you’ve made it clear that you have no idea what Labour’s policy on this issue is and you’re just making it up as you go along.

Isn't making it up as you go along Sunak's best policy?

August was stop the boats.
September was lets create as much migration as possible.
October was stop the boats again.
November brought us the 3rd government relaunch in 2 months, but no one remembers what it was.
Was it November or December when he sack his Home Secretary because she thought not shipping people to Rwanda was bonkers and replaced her with someone who knows what to do with a women?

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:49

jgw1 · 30/12/2023 09:47

No difference in quality of life, will be a significant improvement on the past 13 years where the government has consistently eroded most people's quality of life.

That's what you want women to vote for, to give up material reality for, not even five pieces of silver - just for everything to stay the same?

SutWytTi · 30/12/2023 09:48

CrispsandCheeseSandwich · 30/12/2023 09:33

If Reform are even in discussions it would be a sign they have no vaguely decent candidates available at all. Why would any party want to stand the very candidate the electorate in that constituency have just voted to remove??

I can easily believe they have no decent candidates. But also you only need 10% of the electorate to call for a by-election in a recall petition, and I imagine the 13% who voted to kick Peter Bone out are perhaps not the people likely to vote Reform in the first place. Bone got 65% of the vote in the last election.

I guess we will see what vote he achieves if he stands, but I would expect some of those who voted to get rid of him to be people who had voted for him. Many decent Tory voters don't support bad behaviour of the type Bone has been accused of.

For Reform, I would consider this to be a bad move brand-wise.

Regarding the % of vote Bone got, I would discount 2019 - that was the Corbyn/Brexit election, many Tories in safe seats acheived additional vote share as the Labour vote fell away in those seats. So looking at 2017, Bone got 57% of the vote. In 1992 the pre-Bone Tory got 53% of the vote. Personal votes are often overstated. But I do not know enough about the demographics in the seat 1992-2017 to make any comment on whether those results are typical or atypical.

But we will see! I am always interested in by-elections.

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:48

BIossomtoes · 30/12/2023 09:47

That’s melodramatic bollocks. You lose the argument when you resort to insulting people who don’t agree with you. Thing is you’ve made it clear that you have no idea what Labour’s policy on this issue is and you’re just making it up as you go along.

More calm down dear? Wow. Nice.

jgw1 · 30/12/2023 09:47

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:45

And when your magical thinking is codified further in law and policy and still wondering why there was no material difference in the quality of life for women when the ties shifted from blue to red you will have won, but you won't have much to show for it.

No difference in quality of life, will be a significant improvement on the past 13 years where the government has consistently eroded most people's quality of life.

BIossomtoes · 30/12/2023 09:47

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:42

Try again - women as a biology, women as a sex class, women in health services, women in sport, children in school, free speech, safeguarding....you'd throw all this away because you are too dim or reluctant to see the issue at play.

That’s melodramatic bollocks. You lose the argument when you resort to insulting people who don’t agree with you. Thing is you’ve made it clear that you have no idea what Labour’s policy on this issue is and you’re just making it up as you go along.

Squeaky2023 · 30/12/2023 09:46

Ifailed · 29/12/2023 09:52

"Starmer is Boring" is a trope that's been pushed by the hard-right press for a while, a classic misdirection to steer people away from the cess-pit that the Tory party has become.

Yes, remember the campaign against Ed Milliban because he looked a bit funny?

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:45

jgw1 · 30/12/2023 09:40

You do that, and we'll assume you agree with the Home Secretary on sedating women to make them compliant.
I take it that is a fair agreement?

And when your magical thinking is codified further in law and policy and still wondering why there was no material difference in the quality of life for women when the ties shifted from blue to red you will have won, but you won't have much to show for it.

Squeaky2023 · 30/12/2023 09:44

AnnaMagnani · 29/12/2023 09:41

I think boring is a selling point TBH.

Look at the chaos Boris created. We need someone competent and interested in effective government not self promotion.

Yes!
He has a great track record and is accomplished in his own right via career achievements rather than a corrupt old boys' club who prioritises their own and their friends' business interests.

jgw1 · 30/12/2023 09:44

CrispsandCheeseSandwich · 30/12/2023 09:43

@jgw1 no that's reclaim.

Reform is led by Richard Tice, Isabel Oakeshott's partner.

Ah, my mistake.

So reform are slightly less bonkers than the fully bonkers party. I see.

jgw1 · 30/12/2023 09:43

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:42

Try again - women as a biology, women as a sex class, women in health services, women in sport, children in school, free speech, safeguarding....you'd throw all this away because you are too dim or reluctant to see the issue at play.

A very accurate description of 13 years of Tory government.

CrispsandCheeseSandwich · 30/12/2023 09:43

@jgw1 no that's reclaim.

Reform is led by Richard Tice, Isabel Oakeshott's partner.

jgw1 · 30/12/2023 09:42

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:39

Still no?

You are happy with not feeding children, but instead enriching people who already have more money than they need?

Its a strange world we live in.

Desecratedcoconut · 30/12/2023 09:42

BIossomtoes · 30/12/2023 09:39

If you think that’s OK because the Tories “know what a woman is”, crack on.

Try again - women as a biology, women as a sex class, women in health services, women in sport, children in school, free speech, safeguarding....you'd throw all this away because you are too dim or reluctant to see the issue at play.

jgw1 · 30/12/2023 09:42

CrispsandCheeseSandwich · 30/12/2023 09:39

@jgw1 oh I know. I'm just saying that I can see why Reform, with perhaps a very small pool of potential candidates, might see Bone as a reasonable choice. Even if he doesn't win he might give them a good result (by their normal standards).

Is reform the outfit led by Fox?
If so then I can't imagine they have very high standards.