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Is Keir Starmer too boring to be prime minister?

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Tulipsroses · 29/12/2023 09:34

I was reading an article in the Spectator this morning. Interesting to hear what people think.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-too-boring-to-be-prime-minister/

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Zonder · 29/12/2023 23:57

SutWytTi · 29/12/2023 22:04

Thanks for this. Very useful.

SutWytTi · 29/12/2023 22:04

This is also useful for keeping track of polling: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

jgw1 · 29/12/2023 21:13

There are two reasons why the OPs question is ridiculous.

  1. https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html
  2. His opponent is someone who manages to make a vacuum look like it is full of substance.

General Election Prediction

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

Zonder · 29/12/2023 17:55

itsgettingweird · 29/12/2023 16:57

But he doesn't believe a trans woman is an actual woman.

People disagree won what trans people should access and shouldn't.

I don't agree with any governments position in this. It's in the Tory's watch trans woman have been allowed into woman's spaces and have raped them. No one shines in this area. The Tory's see woman as beneath men. As sex objects and as people with lesser rights who should stay home and make babies.

Thankfully the world outside of government have taken the lead on this and are generally making sensible decisions. We only hear about it more because SM is where people go to shout the loudest.

Very good post. What good is it, repeating the line that labour don't know what a woman is when the Tories are the ones who think so lowly of a woman in the first place, and have let all the barriers fall as far as they have on women's spaces?

BIossomtoes · 29/12/2023 17:45

IClaudine · 29/12/2023 15:23

Why are some so hung up about transgender people? Yes, it is new territory for transgender people to not have to hide who they are, but they have always existed. There are some issues to be ironed out. But we will do that and move on and transgender people will be accepted. Most sensible people aren't voting on the basis of who knows what a woman is or isn't.

Because it’s all they’ve got. Now we’ve established that the Tories think sedating women to keep them docile is acceptable “knowing what a woman is” isn’t quite the appealing incentive to vote for them that some people would have us think.

itsgettingweird · 29/12/2023 16:57

But he doesn't believe a trans woman is an actual woman.

People disagree won what trans people should access and shouldn't.

I don't agree with any governments position in this. It's in the Tory's watch trans woman have been allowed into woman's spaces and have raped them. No one shines in this area. The Tory's see woman as beneath men. As sex objects and as people with lesser rights who should stay home and make babies.

Thankfully the world outside of government have taken the lead on this and are generally making sensible decisions. We only hear about it more because SM is where people go to shout the loudest.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 29/12/2023 15:31

Why are some so hung up about transgender people? Yes, it is new territory for transgender people to not have to hide who they are, but they have always existed. There are some issues to be ironed out.

By definition, being transgender is hiding who you are. People are welcome to present however they like. That doesn't mean they become the opposite sex. Any politician who says that someone who was born male is a woman is a liar. And anyone who thinks that someone like Keir Starmer genuinely believes a transwoman is a woman is ridiculously naïve.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 29/12/2023 15:25

AIstolemylunch · 29/12/2023 09:38

I don't care that he's boring. I do care that he's inept, ineffective and presides over a cabinet that includes people who think men can have cervixes.

Yes, me too.

IClaudine · 29/12/2023 15:23

Why are some so hung up about transgender people? Yes, it is new territory for transgender people to not have to hide who they are, but they have always existed. There are some issues to be ironed out. But we will do that and move on and transgender people will be accepted. Most sensible people aren't voting on the basis of who knows what a woman is or isn't.

CurlewKate · 29/12/2023 15:20

@Boomboom22 "Also not sure being a human rights lawyer is good for pm, they often go against what is best for the country."
Sorry, what????

UserM6 · 29/12/2023 15:14

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 29/12/2023 12:39

Boring doesn’t bother me, but his tendency to sit on every single fence does.

His background isn't that though. He has kept his past views pretty quiet because they are pretty radical. He is an urban politician and the fact he still thinks men can become women show he has ideas that sound nice but are damaging long term.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 29/12/2023 15:02

itsgettingweird · 29/12/2023 14:10

I view it as clever play.

So many times he's been hounded to have a position but Tory's and the MSM.

So many times he routed an idea that the Tory's have taken as their own and continued to claim he has no policies - remember the windfall tax on energy companies?

Now he's keeping quiet. They cannot take his ideas and they can't dispute them either.

When it comes to a manifesto being required I'll judge them if he has policies or not. Until then he isn't running the county - that's being run into the ground by the Tory's.

Playing it it too clever isn’t always clever.

He can be seen as lacking backbone and too busy picking splinters out of his arse.

ginasevern · 29/12/2023 15:02

@IClaudine

"Yes, at least the Tories know what a woman is. They're the ones you sedate🙄"

Indeed, the Tories know exactly what a woman is. How many rapes and sexuals assaults have their MP's been arrested for this year alone? The Home Secretary seems quite the expert on the date rape drug too. To be fair to the Tories though, they are an equal opportunities employer. Some of the sexual assaults have been against men.

SunnieShine · 29/12/2023 14:14

caringcarer · 29/12/2023 10:16

I don't care about boring, but Keir thinks some women can have a penis. I can't get past that.

I can't either. The man's a fool.

LegoFlower · 29/12/2023 14:11

Boring would be great, if it's accompanied by evidence-based policy rather than political slogans and pandering to party membership. Surely we've all had enough of "exciting" scandals, extreme rhetoric and extreme nonsensical policies burning the economy to the ground in the name of "control" and "patriotism"?

LlynTegid · 29/12/2023 14:11

Clement Attlee was not a barrel of laughs. Best post-war Prime Minister though.

Boring if it means vaguely competent will do for me. A lot will depend on others in the government, the present one has ministers so poor almost none would have been good enough for a Cameron or Thatcher government.

itsgettingweird · 29/12/2023 14:10

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 29/12/2023 12:39

Boring doesn’t bother me, but his tendency to sit on every single fence does.

I view it as clever play.

So many times he's been hounded to have a position but Tory's and the MSM.

So many times he routed an idea that the Tory's have taken as their own and continued to claim he has no policies - remember the windfall tax on energy companies?

Now he's keeping quiet. They cannot take his ideas and they can't dispute them either.

When it comes to a manifesto being required I'll judge them if he has policies or not. Until then he isn't running the county - that's being run into the ground by the Tory's.

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/12/2023 14:06

BJ wasn't boring. He also refused to say that only women have a cervix. Sunak said a woman was whatever BJ said.

The TRA shitshow happened under and because of the Tory government that have been in power for the last 13 years.

cyclamenqueen · 29/12/2023 14:05

We are electing a government not a circus troupe , i couldn't care less if they are boring , frankly after this lot the more boring the better.

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/12/2023 14:03

I'm fine with boring and would rather that than politicians who use their elected position to boost their family/friends' coffers and make a name for themselves as Shock Jocks.

CurlewKate · 29/12/2023 13:49

@Faceache45 Why is he morally corrupt?

Kendodd · 29/12/2023 13:46

RafaistheKingofClay · 29/12/2023 10:10

The idea that you could be too boring to be PM is why this country is in the hole it is.

I agree.

Kendodd · 29/12/2023 13:44

beguilingeyes · 29/12/2023 09:56

"If the tories change leader, labour is in trouble again."

And who would they pick? The current party is a talent vacuum. Rees-Mogg? Braverman? James Cleverly. Sunak was barrel scraping. They're out of ideas now.

Nigel Farage no doubt. The others aren't hate filled enough for their voters.

IClaudine · 29/12/2023 13:35

ChristmasinBurrRidge · 29/12/2023 12:37

Totally agree. He is weak and spineless and that is the reason I could never view him as a credible Prime Minister.

Well that is what you are going to get in May by the looks of things!

scalt · 29/12/2023 12:50

I don't like Starmer or Labour for many reasons, but after "iconic" personalities such as Johnson and Trump, give me "boring" any day. I have an alternative to Trump's slogan:

MAKE POLITICS BORING AGAIN.
Politics really shouldn't be this exciting, with scandal after scandal.

Another slogan I'm fond of is: "Politicians are like nappies - they should be changed regularly, and for the same reason". So many of them (Thatcher/Blair/Trump/Johnson) end up unable to tell the difference between themselves and God.