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Best Prime Minister in your opinion.

205 replies

Tulipsroses · 12/12/2023 21:21

I don't know who I dislike more Rushi or Starmer. Both of them don't have the political weight of a British Prime Minister. If Rushi lacks charisma Starmer never had any. They both don't have any new ideas just repeat some old cliches. I sometimes wonder if Argentina would invade Falklands tomorrow would they have the iron lady's balls?
Anyway my question is who do you think is a leader which this nation deserves? It can either Labour or Conservative it need to be a living politician.

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KirstenBlest · 11/01/2024 14:16

@Cnon , did you read the OP? Anyway my question is who do you think is a leader which this nation deserves? It can either Labour or Conservative it need to be a living politician.

Cnon · 11/01/2024 06:40

Margaret Thatcher

fixingmylife · 08/01/2024 17:00

@GlobeTrotter2000 Thatcher abolished free milk for children aged 7-11 in 1971.

Glad to read about the redundancy money.

Good luck with voting for Richard Tice in the next GE.

GlobeTrotter2000 · 08/01/2024 16:46

@fixingmylife

Regards water, take a look at:

Water scarcity: MEPs to debate how to ensure every European has access to water | 16-10-2023 | News | European Parliament (europa.eu)

UK weather seldom results in droughts and water shotages. The last I remember was in 1976 when you could be fined 5 pounds for using a hosepipe.

Removal of free school milk commenced in 1968 under a Labour Government.

Also, imagine if you were one of the mining families. Her "Iron fist" shouldn't be applauded. She forced miners to work in dangerous conditions

I am from a mining family. Both my father and his father worked in the North East coal mines.

My grandfather died before I was born. Cause was a throat problem which prevented him from eating well.

After 34 years working in mines, from age 16 to 50, my father was happy to take the redundancy package of 1500 pounds per year of service and 7/8ths pay for rest of his life. He later worked for the NHS.

After the strike was over, even the younger ones were happy as they had a big chunk of money to spend and being young enough to find something else. It happened as his two younger brothers found employment locally not long after the strike.

The strike was a battle of ego's. The NUM had never been defeated before. That the PM was a woman was also an issue.

In the mining villages, the husband was usually the only one that worked. The wife's duty was to run the house and do as they were told. If not, a heavy clout often followed. Reporting to the police on the beat made little, if any, difference as there were men too.

So, the miners fought out of pride, even though they knew the redundancy packages would be good, but never dreamed they would lose.

My father blamed Scargill for making the strike illegal which enabled the government to confiscate NUM funds. As time passed, they went back to work as they had families to feed.

What the NUM and the miners overlooked was Thatcher's preparation methods. Coal was stockpiled. The Army and the Police were bought with good pay rises.

Water scarcity: MEPs to debate how to ensure every European has access to water | 16-10-2023 | News | European Parliament

On Tuesday afternoon, MEPs will discuss water scarcity and structural investments for the access to water in the EU with the Council and Commission.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/agenda/briefing/2023-10-16/19/water-scarcity-meps-to-debate-how-to-ensure-every-european-has-access-to-water

CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau · 08/01/2024 16:40

@GlobeTrotter2000 I really try to keep my temper even on here, let’s hope I succeed.

  1. I don’t know why the terrorists who committed those atrocities did what they did and I suspect it was something like fear for their families or strong religious belief. My point was that that was an action that fear would generally prevent humans from doing and it didn’t. That didn’t make them ideal candidates for political office.
  2. I know who the actor was and was referring to the character in the fictional context. It was more likely Costner’s stunt double and besides I’ve done different but similarly quite dangerous stuff on horses. If you put the character in the life he was living, it was basically suicide by cop.
  3. Yes, I’ve had a lot of therapy, some time in psychiatric hospitals and having wanted to end your own life in circumstances many others have regarded their lives as unbearable in doesn’t deprive you of the ability to absorb political news or history or to analyse it. I’ll thank you for avoiding the ad hominem in future apart from acknowledging that you’ve basically agreed that not being afraid of anything - because not being afraid of a painful death is basically that - qualified me for mental patient status, not Prime Minister status.
GlobeTrotter2000 · 08/01/2024 16:05

@CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau Do you think those guys who crashed into the WTC buildings were afraid of anything?

Maybe their families had been threatened? Watch the movie, Devils Double, about a guy who looked very like Saddam's son.

guy at the beginning of dances with wolves who exposes himself to enemy fire while riding with no hands on the reins on a horse was afraid of anything

Maybe he (Kevin Costner) thought his US$50 million fee justified the risk?

Do you think I was afraid of anything when I took ten times what should have been a fatal overdose and then took further measures to ensure my suicide worked

Hopefully that was said in jest. If not, maybe your time would be better spent with counselling than on MN?

fixingmylife · 08/01/2024 16:02

GlobeTrotter2000 · 08/01/2024 15:52

@Kendodd Margert Thatcher (sell everything we have to the lowest bidder)

I think you mean Gordon Brown's sale of UK gold at the lowest price.

@fixingmylife 😂I'm sorry, but you cannot be serious with this selection!

Well. let's be truthful. Mrs Thatcher for Prime Minister is difficult as she died in 2013.

Sir Jacob Rees Mogg presented the argument on QT several times that the poorest people in the UK spend most of their money on; food, clothing and footwear. The EU external tariffs are high on such items as EU wants to protect it's cartel. He was never once challenged by the other panelists.

The link is

Will getting rid of EU tariffs help the worst off? - Full Fact

Nigel Farage would have been the best Home Secretary or Foreign Secretary as he knew the inner workings of the EU inside out after 21 years as an MEP. Who could be better to deal with the EU on behalf of the UK?

T May wiped the EU's rear (because she was a remain supporter) as evidenced by her signing (illegaly) the crappy deal that was rejected three times by UK MP's after they were allowed to see the legal advice.

I will vote Reform. So Richard Tice is PM for me.

@GlobeTrotter2000 Your reasoning is laughable. Margaret Thatcher (yes, of course she is dead) sold our WATER. What kind of a Prime Minister sells off our WATER? This act alone disqualifies her IMO. :-)

Also, imagine if you were one of the mining families. Her "Iron fist" shouldn't be applauded. She forced miners to work in dangerous conditions. And she took milk away from children in schools. All she cared about was money and her own interests.

As for Richard Tice? OMG. I would go as far as to say he is a borderline conspiracy theorist, because he supports an agenda that is akin to an anti-science in terms of promoting disbelief in Climate Change. I don't know if you have children, but if you think voting for Reform UK is going to help us in a Climate Emergency, I think you need to read up on the scientific facts about Climate Change. Sorry, but he is pedalling and promoting lies. You are entitled to vote for who you want of course, but just a friendly warning. :-)

CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau · 08/01/2024 16:01

OK. So now it’s possible for anyone with an ideological hatred of an institution, who gained their platform due to speaking in favour of the destruction and dissolution of said institution while earning a pretty good living for it, to be qualified to have positive relations with it because he knows it? Knows how to milk it for all it’s worth definitely. Knows how to work with it for the benefit of citizens? Absolutely not.

GlobeTrotter2000 · 08/01/2024 15:52

@Kendodd Margert Thatcher (sell everything we have to the lowest bidder)

I think you mean Gordon Brown's sale of UK gold at the lowest price.

@fixingmylife 😂I'm sorry, but you cannot be serious with this selection!

Well. let's be truthful. Mrs Thatcher for Prime Minister is difficult as she died in 2013.

Sir Jacob Rees Mogg presented the argument on QT several times that the poorest people in the UK spend most of their money on; food, clothing and footwear. The EU external tariffs are high on such items as EU wants to protect it's cartel. He was never once challenged by the other panelists.

The link is

Will getting rid of EU tariffs help the worst off? - Full Fact

Nigel Farage would have been the best Home Secretary or Foreign Secretary as he knew the inner workings of the EU inside out after 21 years as an MEP. Who could be better to deal with the EU on behalf of the UK?

T May wiped the EU's rear (because she was a remain supporter) as evidenced by her signing (illegaly) the crappy deal that was rejected three times by UK MP's after they were allowed to see the legal advice.

I will vote Reform. So Richard Tice is PM for me.

Will getting rid of EU tariffs help the worst off? - Full Fact

Higher tariffs make what we buy from other countries more expensive.

https://fullfact.org/europe/will-getting-rid-eu-tariffs-help-worst/

jgw1 · 08/01/2024 15:28

CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau · 08/01/2024 14:46

Rushi sunak at least has the basic competence to keep the economy running possibly serviceably to keep the lower classes alive-ish and accumulate wealth for the wealthy. Avoid disaster and keep the patient company stable but critical. At least he’s not a dimwit lunatic (truss) a cosplaying oddity selfish person (JRM) or a narcissistic haystack (Johnson).

Biden’s not the world’s most ideal. I’d have Kamala Harris or AOC up next. But he was elected and most sensible people took a huge breath and thanked whatever higher power for the respite. Because at least no more Trump.

And Margaret Thatcher not being afraid of anything isn’t a reason to elect her AT ALL. Do you think those guys who crashed into the WTC buildings were afraid of anything? Do you think the fucking guy at the beginning of dances with wolves who exposes himself to enemy fire while riding with no hands on the reins on a horse was afraid of anything? Do you think I was afraid of anything when I took ten times what should have been a fatal overdose and then took further measures to ensure my suicide worked? Should we be leaders?

Satire is alive and well.

fixingmylife · 08/01/2024 15:17

Rishi Sunak is NOT competent with the economy. It's all smoke and mirrors with him in that regard. Have a look at the economic figures while he was chancellor? Do you think it's financially competent to award BILLION pound contracts to the likes of Michelle Mone in order to secure PPE that was UNFIT FOR PURPOSE and HAD TO BE BURNED? Not to mention Dido Harding for a test and trace system that was also UNFIT FOR PURPOSE. Nurses died because of this. Don't forget this.

He is a WEAK Prime Minister and just because he wears a smart suit, does not. I repeat. Does not make him reliable with the economy. Je rest ma valise.... :-)

CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau · 08/01/2024 14:46

Rushi sunak at least has the basic competence to keep the economy running possibly serviceably to keep the lower classes alive-ish and accumulate wealth for the wealthy. Avoid disaster and keep the patient company stable but critical. At least he’s not a dimwit lunatic (truss) a cosplaying oddity selfish person (JRM) or a narcissistic haystack (Johnson).

Biden’s not the world’s most ideal. I’d have Kamala Harris or AOC up next. But he was elected and most sensible people took a huge breath and thanked whatever higher power for the respite. Because at least no more Trump.

And Margaret Thatcher not being afraid of anything isn’t a reason to elect her AT ALL. Do you think those guys who crashed into the WTC buildings were afraid of anything? Do you think the fucking guy at the beginning of dances with wolves who exposes himself to enemy fire while riding with no hands on the reins on a horse was afraid of anything? Do you think I was afraid of anything when I took ten times what should have been a fatal overdose and then took further measures to ensure my suicide worked? Should we be leaders?

TheGreyRockess · 08/01/2024 14:44

Starmer is my choice. All those bemoaning he lacks charisma - vote for the politics not the personality. We need someone steady and reliable. He's got a great team together too.

Incidentally, Rory Stewart was a member of the Labour Party when he was younger. He has intimated that he would join a Starmer line-up/Labour Party. He would be a great Foreign Secretary because of his previous experience in Cabinet and diplomatic service especially in the Middle East and the Far East.

fixingmylife · 08/01/2024 14:40

Gordon Brown 100 percent.

I repeat. Policies, NOT personalities.

App13 · 08/01/2024 14:38

Rishi Sunak, all day long.

Kendodd · 08/01/2024 14:32

fixingmylife · 08/01/2024 14:25

😂I'm sorry, but you cannot be serious with this selection! I don't mean to be mean, but seriously. Nigel Farage? Jacob Rees Mogg? You are entitled to your opinion but I would love to know that you are actually joking! :-)

Edited

Judging by other posts, she is 100% serious. Margert Thatcher (sell everything we have to the lowest bidder) Nigel Farage (Putin superfan) and Jacob Rees-Mogg (foodbank lover) would be her dream team. Worse, people like @GlobeTrotter2000 won, govenements for the last eight years have been bending over backwards to give her everything she wants. Hence the massive mess we are now in and the state of the country.

fixingmylife · 08/01/2024 14:25

GlobeTrotter2000 · 08/01/2024 13:41

My cabinet would be:

Prime Minister - Margaret Thatcher. Reason - she is not afraid of anything

Home Secretary - Nigel Farage. Reason - he was an MEP for 21 years. So, he was in the best position to know that Brexit is best

Chancellor - Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg. Reason - He knows numbers well and has a successfull investment company to prove it.

😂I'm sorry, but you cannot be serious with this selection! I don't mean to be mean, but seriously. Nigel Farage? Jacob Rees Mogg? You are entitled to your opinion but I would love to know that you are actually joking! :-)

GlobeTrotter2000 · 08/01/2024 13:41

My cabinet would be:

Prime Minister - Margaret Thatcher. Reason - she is not afraid of anything

Home Secretary - Nigel Farage. Reason - he was an MEP for 21 years. So, he was in the best position to know that Brexit is best

Chancellor - Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg. Reason - He knows numbers well and has a successfull investment company to prove it.

fixingmylife · 07/01/2024 20:57

Rory Stewart is intelligent and would probably have been a competent leader and it was unfortunate he didn't win because instead we got what we got. I actually think is better doing what he is doing. I don't think he would ever join the Labour Party. He is a Tory. It's not his time to come back into politics, I don't think. He's better using his intelligence in other areas because politics in the uk is almost beyond parody now and entertainment. Which is a crying shame, but I think it's true. I hope Starmer is being quite clever with the way he is handling things. I still want PR and a forward direction for the UK as a whole. What the conservatives have done to the county of the UK over the last 13 years is completely shameful and it is going to take decades to recover. That's my rant about it anyway. I feel strongly that we need PR. I know the thread is about individuals, but I really believe we have to move forward from Populism but it isn't going to go away very fast unfortunately....

QuickDraining · 07/01/2024 18:56

KnickerlessParsons · 07/01/2024 10:14

I think Starmer has also demonstrated his competence by turning the party around from Corbyns anti semitic, momentum infested left wing nightmare to a credible opposition with serious policies in 4 years.
I think he's the right person to deal with the mess we are currently in.

Does anyone actually know what the Labour Party's policies are? 🤔

There's a summary of the base here: https://labourlist.org/2023/05/labour-manifesto-2024-election-what-policies-npf-party/

Revealed: Full draft policy platform that could form 2024 Labour manifesto – LabourList | Latest UK Labour Party news, analysis and comment

Labour has drafted its most comprehensive policy programme yet for a Keir Starmer government, drawing up a provisional but wide-ranging blueprint likely to shape the…

https://labourlist.org/2023/05/labour-manifesto-2024-election-what-policies-npf-party

Willmafrockfit · 07/01/2024 11:49

Tony Blair did well for:, early years, sure start, working tax credit

JenniferJupiterVenusandMars · 07/01/2024 11:39

Ruth Davidson if has to be Conservative
Gordon Brown if Labour.
Absolutely none of the potential candidates at the moment are fit to fill the post imo.
I won’t be voting, I don’t think there’s anyone remotely suitable.

KirstenBlest · 07/01/2024 11:35

Theresa May was knocked mainly because she was female, not far right and not youthful.
People tend to vote for personality.

biarritz · 07/01/2024 11:13

Gordon Brown
Theresa May (good apart from on Brexit)
Caroline Lucas
Dominic Grieve

Yvette Cooper is a good shadow Home Secretary but she was too pro lockdown wanting to stop travel well after everyone had been vaccinated.

KirstenBlest · 07/01/2024 10:38

@KnickerlessParsons , they won't be disclosed this far ahead of a GE.