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If there was a GE today who would you vote for?

658 replies

87SPD · 23/09/2023 19:48

Bit cheeky but I’m curious to see if there are genuinely any Tory voters out there at all following another disastrous week for Rishi Sunak.

So who would get your vote?

I‘ll go first, I would vote Labour. As much as I would love to hear more on policy and a firm grittiness from them, I do understand that Keir Starmer is doing the best he can, in that he can’t alienate a large proportion of the electorate so needs to toe the line.

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Highandlows · 24/09/2023 08:00

I am leaving before the next elections. Totally done here. Would not vote today if elections were called .

Atomsaway · 24/09/2023 08:00

Probably Monster Raving Loony Party.

I can’t bring myself to vote for any of the others. This country has gone to sh**

EasternStandard · 24/09/2023 07:53

jgw1 · 24/09/2023 07:47

Are you sure I am the one who is confused?

You are concerned about migration and are going to vote for a party that has failed to control migration even though it has repeatedly stated it as one its aims.

Ok.

Yes I’m sure

Labour’s policies will not match the increased people movement. There is no fast and nice way to do it without being the country people choose over others

EU have already said forget about it to Starmer’s suggestions. Because he’s not able to get what they do.

If people look ahead at numbers increasing massively we’d be likely start to get more aligned with EU response from France and Germany and others

Atm all these posts and U.K. generally is going against the shift elsewhere

Dibblydoodahdah · 24/09/2023 07:53

jgw1 · 24/09/2023 07:45

I am glad you agree that I never said that every private school parent drives an SUV, perhaps you would like to ask for your misleading post to be deleted?

You’re the one with a misleading post who should be asking for it to be removed. You said that private school parents were saying that they were going to remove their children and then continuing to drive around in SUVs. Total bull shit and just feeding into a stereotype.

hattie43 · 24/09/2023 07:53

Ddimynswr · 23/09/2023 20:15

Cannot believe there are still people who vote Tory after the past 13 years. Absolutely shocking.

It's not really about thinking the Tories are great it's about keeping labour out .
I cannot believe all the people thinking labour are the wholly grail . The country is broke , no party has any money to do anything with . This Tory government is about as left as I've seen . It's muddying the waters .

jgw1 · 24/09/2023 07:47

EasternStandard · 24/09/2023 07:44

Recognising the huge surge in people movement that is coming is

You are confused yes that part is right though by bringing in work visas

Recently from France

According to Darmanin, Paris told Italy it was "ready to help them return people to countries with which we have good diplomatic relations," giving the example of Côte d'Ivoire and Senegal. But France "will not welcome migrants" from the island, he said, speaking on French television Tuesday evening.

Labour recently tried to do a returns and quota deal, ‘deluded’ was the response from EU.

I’m looking at all these Labour posts and where we’re going globally. It’s not going to get easier. And EU will strain even more

Are you sure I am the one who is confused?

You are concerned about migration and are going to vote for a party that has failed to control migration even though it has repeatedly stated it as one its aims.

Ok.

PermanentTemporary · 24/09/2023 07:46

Lib Dem to keep out a Tory, I'm in a LD/Tory marginal.

I want a Labour government. I'm beyond tired of being shackled economically and socially to a hard right minority in the Conservative party and to a nonagenarian hatemonger. Do I think life will be all roses? No, not at all. I think Keir Starmer is fine and I'm not looking for a hero, just a team approach to trying to improve things. That will include some stuff I don't agree with. Hello, that's real life.

jgw1 · 24/09/2023 07:45

Dibblydoodahdah · 24/09/2023 07:40

You were the one mentioning SUVs. Focusing on a stereotype doesn’t help get your case across. The vast majority of the parents talking about removing their children are not driving SUVs and lots of private school parents don’t drive a SUV in any case. In fact, there has been a massive decrease in SUVs at my DC’s private school in recent years. People are driving electric or smaller petrol cars.

I am glad you agree that I never said that every private school parent drives an SUV, perhaps you would like to ask for your misleading post to be deleted?

EasternStandard · 24/09/2023 07:44

jgw1 · 24/09/2023 07:34

I'm confused.

Is migration a priority for you?

If it is, presumably you won't be voting for the party that has overseen a massive increase in migration and a shambles of an immigration system?

Recognising the huge surge in people movement that is coming is

You are confused yes that part is right though by bringing in work visas

Recently from France

According to Darmanin, Paris told Italy it was "ready to help them return people to countries with which we have good diplomatic relations," giving the example of Côte d'Ivoire and Senegal. But France "will not welcome migrants" from the island, he said, speaking on French television Tuesday evening.

Labour recently tried to do a returns and quota deal, ‘deluded’ was the response from EU.

I’m looking at all these Labour posts and where we’re going globally. It’s not going to get easier. And EU will strain even more

Dibblydoodahdah · 24/09/2023 07:40

jgw1 · 24/09/2023 07:33

@Dibblydoodahdah can you point to where I said that every private school parent drives an SUV?

You were the one mentioning SUVs. Focusing on a stereotype doesn’t help get your case across. The vast majority of the parents talking about removing their children are not driving SUVs and lots of private school parents don’t drive a SUV in any case. In fact, there has been a massive decrease in SUVs at my DC’s private school in recent years. People are driving electric or smaller petrol cars.

itsgettingweird · 24/09/2023 07:38

AnonAnonandAriston · 23/09/2023 21:56

surley thats how people would be better voting, whats best for the country overall ?

And the joy of democracy is that people can disagree with what that is and how to achieve it.

But I still think anyone who believes that the majority of people will purposely vote for policies that are going to cause their own family detriment is living in cloud cuckoo land

I don't believe any party causes detriment to to wealthy people.

But the Tory's do and have caused it to those who aren't.

But if those with less have a fairer distribution of wealth then they can get better education, afford better housing and become less disenfranchised.

This in turn benefits the country as a whole and often the wealthy financially too.

Wealthy business owners can't be wealthy business owners if people don't have money to spend at their business.

jgw1 · 24/09/2023 07:34

EasternStandard · 24/09/2023 07:23

You’re very active on responding to every post that isn’t Labour but no.

It’s the changes in people movement I’m looking at and how parties will respond.

EU countries are already struggling to deal with it but are saying no. It’s not an easy thing to do in reality though.

Lampedusa is the start and it will ramp up.

I'm confused.

Is migration a priority for you?

If it is, presumably you won't be voting for the party that has overseen a massive increase in migration and a shambles of an immigration system?

jgw1 · 24/09/2023 07:33

Dibblydoodahdah · 24/09/2023 07:14

You genuinely believe that every private school parent drives a SUV. Well that shows you are talking total crap.

@Dibblydoodahdah can you point to where I said that every private school parent drives an SUV?

Dontcallmescarface · 24/09/2023 07:33

I haven't decided yet but as my MP is Rees-Mogg I won't be voting Conservative that's for sure.

NoMor · 24/09/2023 07:30

Lib Dem. They want to rejoin the EU and they'll remove the 2 child rule and benefit cap.

itsgettingweird · 24/09/2023 07:28

Philandbill · 23/09/2023 21:16

Labour.
Tory party were canvassing here today. DH opened the door to them, said "not in million years" and calmly closed the door again. Summed it up for me too though I'd have probably argued with them on the doorstep.

🤣🤣🤣

Your DH sounds brilliant

itsgettingweird · 24/09/2023 07:27

GrannyRose15 · 23/09/2023 21:06

It would depend on the quality of the candidates in my local constituency. In this country we don’t vote for a party or a prime minister. Instead we vote for a local MP. And there are some excellent ones of different political persuasions that it would be a shame to lose from parliament.

Well mines Braverman so very easy not to vote for local Tory.

She's never here anyway - only ever times up to the rich western wards if the area to visit cake shops and the hairdressers or the older rich community.

She couldn't give a flying fuck about the main town in the area she represents and after many years it's showing.

itsgettingweird · 24/09/2023 07:24

StarbucksSmarterSister · 23/09/2023 21:04

He has scrapped some bonkers proposals like the meat and veg tax, and the car share karaoke compulsion

But these weren't even real policies!

I'd vote for whomever would get rid of my Tory MP. Right now I'm not actually sure whether Labour or Lib Dem would be that party in my constituency because it seems to be close.

That's the point!

They weren't policies or even proposals.

He took a report and twisted some narrative they wrote to decide that those could be proposals and then pretended to scrap them as policies to look like he was doing something.

Our Prime Minister - who we are meant to trust to run the country. 🤦🏼‍♀️

EasternStandard · 24/09/2023 07:23

jgw1 · 24/09/2023 07:14

I take it you will be voting for whichever candidate is most likely to get rid of a Tory, since it is the Tories who have overseen the increase in migration and erosion of women's rights for the past 13 years?

You’re very active on responding to every post that isn’t Labour but no.

It’s the changes in people movement I’m looking at and how parties will respond.

EU countries are already struggling to deal with it but are saying no. It’s not an easy thing to do in reality though.

Lampedusa is the start and it will ramp up.

VashtaNerada · 24/09/2023 07:21

Despite not liking Keir Starmer, definitely Labour. As a household with a teacher and a police officer it’s very clear which party cares about ordinary people who use public services. I think the philosophy of “think of the most vulnerable person you know and vote in their best interests” is a good one.

Dibblydoodahdah · 24/09/2023 07:14

jgw1 · 24/09/2023 06:51

Some parents say they will move their children, but haven't and still drive around in SUVs.

Ok.

You genuinely believe that every private school parent drives a SUV. Well that shows you are talking total crap.

jgw1 · 24/09/2023 07:14

EasternStandard · 24/09/2023 07:12

These threads are generally like this

Imo with changes generally worldwide it is Labour that will start to stand out

Everywhere else will become more hardline on migration. It’s happening already if people look to the EU. The change to no by a fair few countries

Gender is an issue in many places but may unravel as the above switches. Hopefully

I take it you will be voting for whichever candidate is most likely to get rid of a Tory, since it is the Tories who have overseen the increase in migration and erosion of women's rights for the past 13 years?

EasternStandard · 24/09/2023 07:12

margotmargeaux · 24/09/2023 00:29

Exactly!

And if you dare to have a different opinion to the OP you are selfish, incompetent and insular apparently.

These threads are generally like this

Imo with changes generally worldwide it is Labour that will start to stand out

Everywhere else will become more hardline on migration. It’s happening already if people look to the EU. The change to no by a fair few countries

Gender is an issue in many places but may unravel as the above switches. Hopefully

RosesAndHellebores · 24/09/2023 07:10

@LyndaLaHughes my husband and daughter work in the public sector. My dd is teaching and loving it, in a very difficult school. My son and I work in the quasi public sector which is responding to the market.

I wouldn’t have voted the NHS top in 2010 - and venture that the figures creating that score were manipulated. At about that time we received healthcare in Austria and France. It was head and shoulders better.

I am sorry you sound so unhappy.

meditrina · 24/09/2023 07:06

87SPD · 24/09/2023 00:43

Not at all, different opinions are fine and needed this isn’t a pro-labour only thread I was just shocked how many people said Tory! I genuinely can’t understand it, I get why people won’t vote for labour but I don’t get why anyone would vote Tory after what they have done 🤷‍♀️

You shouldn't be shocked. Even a collapsed Tory vote i still a huge number of people, and as constituency boundaries mean that Tories need more votes to get same number of seats as Labour (but they have won far more elections), I think the country is, generally, right leaning (Blair was of course centre-right heir of Thatcher)

So a lot of the "homeless" voters are probably those who are right-leaning but cannot stand current Tory incompetence and the resumption of Tory infighting