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itsgettingweird · 24/03/2023 20:17

What he is really afraid of is irrelevance- being laughed at and confined to a diminished life make end of the pier speeches.

Totally agree with this.

borntobequiet · 24/03/2023 18:11

Thanks for the Max Hastings clip. Interesting and entertaining.

L1ttledrummergirl · 24/03/2023 18:10

Not on Boris Island, under the airstrip?

jgw1 · 24/03/2023 18:02

IClaudine · 24/03/2023 17:51

"I don't think you can write off Boris Johnson until he's buried at a crossroads with a stake through his heart".

I thought he was buried sometime ago under Heathrow's third runway?

IClaudine · 24/03/2023 17:51

"I don't think you can write off Boris Johnson until he's buried at a crossroads with a stake through his heart".

SlipSlidinAway · 24/03/2023 17:19

This is worth a watch. Hastings is very critical of the lunatic far right and the absence of truth in politics. And says he finds it very hard to be civil to any member of the Johnson family.

www.google.com/search?q=andrew+marr+max+hastings&rlz=1CDGOYI_enGB659GB660&oq=andrew+marr+mqx+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i13i512.6662j0j4&hl=en-GB&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:ea633e05,vid:tgR0nzSrVK0

DuncinToffee · 24/03/2023 17:06

The Sue Gray report brought up the booze culture in Downing Street.

All facilitated by the boss who wasn't in charge Hmm

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SlipSlidinAway · 24/03/2023 16:57

I agree with those who say it isn't so much that he had food and alcohol. It's the fact he said that people should only do what's necessary for work purposes. Alcohol is not. I would have had no issue with them having sandwiches around the boardroom table whilst holding an essential meeting about restrictions etc.

Exactly. And the thing about alcohol is it makes people less risk averse, therefore far less likely to observe any form of social distancing. Johnson's comment about it being normal to toast someone with alcohol in this country is an attempt to minimise. I don't for a minute believe the implied raising of one small glass to departing colleagues. Not when staff were bringing suitcases of booze into the building.

I watched a very good podcast this afternoon with Max Hastings being interviewed by Andrew Marr. He'd been at Michael Hesseltine's 90th birthday do and Stanley Johnson was present. Max Hastings was incredibly scathing about the whole family.

Roussette · 24/03/2023 16:29

itsgettingweird · 24/03/2023 16:20

Well yes - it doesn't take a genius to work out that spreading covid through a workplace increases the number of people taking it back out into the community.

Exactly and all the booze and steadying of the ship will have made that happen. BJ seems incapable of getting that fact though.

itsgettingweird · 24/03/2023 16:20

IClaudine · 24/03/2023 09:37

One was about reducing the spread in the community the other was about how guidance was implemented in the workplace

Guidance which aimed to, er, reduce the spread of the virus. That is the bottom line. All the regulations, rules and guidance had one aim. To reduce the spread of the virus.

Well yes - it doesn't take a genius to work out that spreading covid through a workplace increases the number of people taking it back out into the community.

itsgettingweird · 24/03/2023 16:18

Blossomtoes · 24/03/2023 09:08

They just don’t think they should be held to account at all. Hence attempting to prorogue parliament and kicking all the moderates out of the party. Essentially they don’t believe in democracy or justice, that’s why Starmer got under Johnson’s skin so much.

That makes sense about why Starmer was such a threat to Johnson.

Regardless of your thoughts and opinions of his political stance he is always honest and law abiding.

itsgettingweird · 24/03/2023 16:08

Late to the conversation.

I agree with those who say it isn't so much that he had food and alcohol. It's the fact he said that people should only do what's necessary for work purposes. Alcohol is not. I would have had no issue with them having sandwiches around the boardroom table whilst holding an essential meeting about restrictions etc.

But he has openly said these gatherings were because 2 staff left and he felt he should mark the occasion. Yet he was also telling us all daily we shouldn't do this. We should do anything we could on teams.

And he expects us to all believe he didn't mislead parliament because despite telling us all the rules - daily - he apparently identified know the rules and was assured he wasn't breaking the rules - he - as PM - made.

It's really worrying how many people use semantics to prove he's innocent of any bad. The use of "cake and sarnies" without using any context of physical or contextual explanation if the situation diminishes any point of accountability. And is very worrying about the comprehension and critical thinking skills of people who are allowed to vote.

Blossomtoes · 24/03/2023 16:08

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 24/03/2023 16:01

I for one am saddened by her lack of faith.

😂

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 24/03/2023 16:01

tobee · 24/03/2023 14:51

Watching that Dorries video I'm amazed she went straight from the committee finding him guilty, then a by election and end to his career! Surely Nadine Dorries would know that Boris Johnson would inevitably triumph at said by election, with the people deciding and giving him a much increased majority?

I for one am saddened by her lack of faith.

Crikeyalmighty · 24/03/2023 15:19

@LexMitior Great post- he will revert to what he always was , a posh, disorganised, grifter. Great for after dinner speeches to a similar crowd of Binkys - not so great as PM- basically the Rod Liddle of politics

tobee · 24/03/2023 14:51

Watching that Dorries video I'm amazed she went straight from the committee finding him guilty, then a by election and end to his career! Surely Nadine Dorries would know that Boris Johnson would inevitably triumph at said by election, with the people deciding and giving him a much increased majority?

LexMitior · 24/03/2023 13:35

The only thing that makes me have a very small amount of sympathy is that of course it is really difficult to say people did not know what they were getting. He had been sacked for lying before and had a bad reputation across Westminster. The Tory Party are now debagging him but they brought him in.

Clearly the intention is to bury him so deep he never troubles High office again. I don't think his supporters see that.

L1ttledrummergirl · 24/03/2023 13:34

DuncinToffee · 24/03/2023 13:20

And Sunak also lived at Downing Street, iirc he actually lived at no10 and the Johnsons at no11

Yep. Right in the middle of it all.

DuncinToffee · 24/03/2023 13:20

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1639246339283517440?s=20

Boris Johnson is a liar say voters

Exclusive @omnisis poll finds:

70% say he lied on Partygate. Just one-in-ten disagree
69% don't trust him to tell the truth
Even Tories don't want him back as PM
Voters say he should face by-election

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1639246339283517440?s=20

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DuncinToffee · 24/03/2023 13:20

And Sunak also lived at Downing Street, iirc he actually lived at no10 and the Johnsons at no11

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L1ttledrummergirl · 24/03/2023 12:49

Yet Rishi Sunak, who also received an fpn for illegal gatherings, was made prime minister by fellow conservatives who clearly saw nothing wrong with the behaviour.

He didn't object at the time either by officially putting his objectives on the record, or by resigning from his ministerial role. He was also up to his neck in it.

My perception is that Johnson lied, Sunak and others assisted him in covering it. None of them are fit for office.

borntobequiet · 24/03/2023 10:30

And how hilarious that there is no DM front page today on this 'kangaroo court' !!

BBC strangely silent too, unless I missed it on the Today prog (might have done).

LexMitior · 24/03/2023 10:24

Well thank you.

Of course the one thing that did happen at the end of the Committee was that he was laughed at.

That I think is his future- expect him to look very old, and very angry as it happens more and more.

He has spent a life bullying others and tilting at dignity. To be laughed at rather than feared is his fate.

Roussette · 24/03/2023 10:21

And how hilarious that there is no DM front page today on this 'kangaroo court' !!

Even they can't defend BJ!

Instead it's 'woke barristers' 🤣 and nothing to do with BJ

Roussette · 24/03/2023 10:18

@LexMitior

I love that post of yours. I wish I'd written it.
All about perception, yes. and ego for him, and wanting to be thought of as one of the best PMs ever.