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pointythings · 30/03/2023 15:14

Yes, and if you, as the Prime Minister, participated in and encouraged social events at work when those were explicitly forbidden, and then lied about it, you deserve to be pilloried. Drop the double standards.

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 15:03

'if you're a Tory and you broke rules, it's fine. If you're not, you deserve to be pilloried'

If you caught a train knowing you had a covid you do of course deserve to be pilloried.

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 15:02

DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 14:51

I wondered at the time why they had to spell everything out and treat us like idiots but clearly some folk needed to be told exactly what to do.

Like Boris Johnson?

No, people who stupidly caught the train when they had covid! Do you understand how a virus is spread?

It was actually ok to eat in the workplace y'know < think we've been over this >. Granted BJ got a fpn for being in the workplace with others after a media witchhunt and I've said previously we can safely say the Met are not renowned for their consistent and intelligent behaviour.

pointythings · 30/03/2023 14:56

@DuncinToffee and like Dominic Cummings. But basically if you're @Janiie , if you're a Tory and you broke rules, it's fine. If you're not, you deserve to be pilloried.

borntobequiet · 30/03/2023 14:53

Like Boris Johnson?

Did he not actually claim to the Parliamentary Committee that no one told him what he should do re parties (or words to that effect)?

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DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 14:51

I wondered at the time why they had to spell everything out and treat us like idiots but clearly some folk needed to be told exactly what to do.

Like Boris Johnson?

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Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 14:48

'yes she did. So in your opinion breaking the law when positive is different than breaking the laws when you made them and communicated them on a daily basis'

The rules were there to reduce the risk of spread. Of course it is totally different if you know you are positive and knowingly flout by travelling from Scotland to England on public transport, as opposed to eating in the workplace with others you've spent all day with when not positive.

I wondered at the time why they had to spell everything out and treat us like idiots but clearly some folk needed to be told exactly what to do.

pointythings · 30/03/2023 14:44

@jgw1 maybe she had cake too!

jgw1 · 30/03/2023 13:56

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 11:53

She knew she was positive Confused

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@Janiie do we know if she drank alcohol on the journey? If she did then it was clearly essential for work and therefore utterly excusable.

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DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 12:33

Or Janiie, are you happy to see the sanction for Ferrier being reduced to 9 sitting days in order to avoid a by election?

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DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 12:28

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 11:53

She knew she was positive Confused

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yes she did. So in your opinion breaking the law when positive is different than breaking the laws when you made them and communicated them on a daily basis?

I mean, one you want to see punished, the other one you want to see excused.

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Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 11:53

DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 11:09

But everyone broke the rules according to you so why should she be punished then?

She knew she was positive Confused

jgw1 · 30/03/2023 11:22

Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 11:02

She travelled from one end of the country to another on public transport putting loads of people at risk as she knew she was covid positive! I hope she does indeed end up with more severe sanctions.

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@Janiie Any chance of you explaining why alcohol and cake were essential for work in number 10 Downing Street at the same time that millions of children were not allowed birtday cake at their place of work (schools)?

Notonthestairs · 30/03/2023 11:19

Ferrier ignored the legislation and will be punished accordingly.
Johnson ignored the legislation and lied to Parliament and failed to correct the record and should be punished accordingly.

borntobequiet · 30/03/2023 11:13

DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 11:09

But everyone broke the rules according to you so why should she be punished then?

Oh I hope the answer is that because she’s an MP and should be setting a good example and following the rules.

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DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 11:09

But everyone broke the rules according to you so why should she be punished then?

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Rhondaa · 30/03/2023 11:02

DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 10:58

The worrying thing is that it is not even beyond imagination that she can end up with a more severe sanction than Johnson.

She travelled from one end of the country to another on public transport putting loads of people at risk as she knew she was covid positive! I hope she does indeed end up with more severe sanctions.

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DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 10:58

The worrying thing is that it is not even beyond imagination that she can end up with a more severe sanction than Johnson.

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Notonthestairs · 30/03/2023 10:48

Can anyone seriously argue that Ferrier's actions had the same impact as Johnsons?

Absolute copout.

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DuncinToffee · 30/03/2023 10:45

This is very interesting. Suggests Johnson might get away with avoiding a by-election when the time comes.

https://twitter.com/tamcohen/status/1641353228406145026?s=20

MPs on the Standards Committee recommend 30 day suspension for Margaret Ferrier - if agreed by a vote in the Commons, triggers automatic recall petition and opens up possibly of by-election in a seat Labour won in 2017.

The Standards Committee was split on the sanction - I believe for the first time. The Tory MPs didn’t back it…

The committee has the same MPs as the Privileges Committee looking into Boris Johnson, plus lay members.

Alberto Costa MP, backed by the other Tories, suggested reducing the sanction to 9 sitting days which is under the recall threshold

https://twitter.com/tamcohen/status/1641353228406145026?s=20

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Roussette · 24/03/2023 21:18

Notonthestairs · 24/03/2023 20:57

"He is a true Tory"

He's an old school Tory. That party only exists on the fringes now.

Yep. Sadly.

I used to respect the likes of Heseltine and Clarke and even John Major (who I met) even though I didn't necessarily agree with them

Now we've got Gullis and 30p Lee. God help us

JenniferBooth · 24/03/2023 21:02

Gogglebox is on now Wonder if they will cover this

Notonthestairs · 24/03/2023 20:57

"He is a true Tory"

He's an old school Tory. That party only exists on the fringes now.

itsgettingweird · 24/03/2023 20:51

DuncinToffee · 24/03/2023 17:06

The Sue Gray report brought up the booze culture in Downing Street.

All facilitated by the boss who wasn't in charge Hmm

But was reassured by his employees that he - the boss - wasn't doing anything wrong so that culture was ok.

Roussette · 24/03/2023 20:37

SlipSlidinAway · 24/03/2023 17:19

This is worth a watch. Hastings is very critical of the lunatic far right and the absence of truth in politics. And says he finds it very hard to be civil to any member of the Johnson family.

www.google.com/search?q=andrew+marr+max+hastings&rlz=1CDGOYI_enGB659GB660&oq=andrew+marr+mqx+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i13i512.6662j0j4&hl=en-GB&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:ea633e05,vid:tgR0nzSrVK0

Thank you @SlipSlidinAway

A fascinating watch. He is a true Tory who just hates what BJ has done to the party. So much to take from that interview.

I wish we could go back to the more honest days. Not these lying and cheating days that appeals to the worst.

I wrote a much better post but Wine and I lost it.