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IClaudine · 22/03/2023 17:17

minou123 · 22/03/2023 17:15

Your understanding is correct

Not just birthdays. Leaving dos and thanking staff was also essential. Apparently zoom or n email was not good enough. Face to face, with a glass of booze was absolutely essential for work purposes.

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It is the British custom, jgw. No-one can leave a job without the involvement of booze.

LexMitior · 22/03/2023 17:16

He such a shit. Ruined so much of this country's unwritten constitution that governments ever after will be completely unaccountable.

That is his real legacy.

minou123 · 22/03/2023 17:15

jgw1 · 22/03/2023 17:11

Do I understand correctly that we are back to it was essential for Big Dog dick to have a birthday party for work purposes and so it was allowed?

Your understanding is correct

Not just birthdays. Leaving dos and thanking staff was also essential. Apparently zoom or n email was not good enough. Face to face, with a glass of booze was absolutely essential for work purposes.

Rhondaa · 22/03/2023 17:14

jgw1 · 22/03/2023 17:12

When I read that Johnson says " Johnson says they didn't touch each other's pens."
Why does my brain keep inserting an extra i in the last word. Horrible.

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jgw1 · 22/03/2023 17:12

When I read that Johnson says " Johnson says they didn't touch each other's pens."
Why does my brain keep inserting an extra i in the last word. Horrible.

itsgettingweird · 22/03/2023 17:12

Whoever said upthread about him getting off sets a precedence is scarily very accurate.

If no PM need to be accountable for what happens in Downing street where does that actually leave us?

No accountability
No integrity.

How long before people start falling out of windows on masse?

We've always been a country proud of its democracy and hailed it as one of our successes as a culture.

But now we are heading to dangerous ground where our leader (and/or future leaders) can do as they please - not be accountable - and that will lead to autocracy.

That's not a country that will run well. Look at the autocratic countries around the world with leaders who can and will do as they please unquestioned.

LexMitior · 22/03/2023 17:12

The test looks like, did the Prime Minister make a reasonable enquiry at any stage? No, only a brief question of which there is no direct evidence. He claims to have done. His own advisers were doubtful.

But this was enough to make binding assurances to Parliament that he did not correct at a time when that correction would have mattered most. Instead, he failed to act in accordance with the common principles of public life of which integrity is one, and acted persistently in his own interest and allowed for a long period the perception that there had been no social event that either engaged with the criminal law or the guidance.

I'd say he should be toast or any Prime Minister in the future of whatever stripe can say literally anything in the Commons

jgw1 · 22/03/2023 17:11

Do I understand correctly that we are back to it was essential for Big Dog dick to have a birthday party for work purposes and so it was allowed?

Lottapianos · 22/03/2023 17:10

'This is very interesting line of questioning.

He is clearly showing he has no back bone.
In the press he is full of "kangaroo court "
But now in front of them, he is "I respect you"

Dick'

Absolutely. He's a cowardly, cheap, spineless sack of shit

itsgettingweird · 22/03/2023 17:09

My understanding of Boris is the brain is not the part of his anataomy he most regularly engages.

Grin
minou123 · 22/03/2023 17:08

This is very interesting line of questioning.

He is clearly showing he has no back bone.
In the press he is full of "kangaroo court "
But now in front of them, he is "I respect you"

Dick

Notonthestairs · 22/03/2023 17:06

Yes. By failing to ask experts he behaved recklessly.

LexMitior · 22/03/2023 17:04

Johnson is just setting his own test but it shouldn't matter. He no longer looks credible. He was, however bizarre it seems, actually responsible.

His defence is that basically, he had no duty onto enquire and he had no responsibility. And so he cannot have intended in any way to mislead. But that means at a minimum he was reckless according to this Committee

LlynTegid · 22/03/2023 17:04

Politics and parliament will be dragged further down if he is not suspended, preferably long enough to force the recall process.

If he told me that it would be sunny tomorrow I would take an umbrella with me.

Blossomtoes · 22/03/2023 17:04

Belindabelle · 22/03/2023 17:01

Pannick is looking panicked (sorry).

😂

pointythings · 22/03/2023 17:04

I would imagine Pannick's main concern is getting paid, but the taxpayer is sorting that one out.

Notonthestairs · 22/03/2023 17:03

Pannick won't give a monkey either way. Nobody could ever imagine Johnson was an ideal client.

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DuncinToffee · 22/03/2023 17:03

I am low on battery, time for a break.

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IClaudine · 22/03/2023 17:02

minou123 · 22/03/2023 17:02

😁 I laughed.

Good one

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Me too.

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DuncinToffee · 22/03/2023 17:02

Ha snap Belindabelle

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minou123 · 22/03/2023 17:02

Belindabelle · 22/03/2023 17:01

Pannick is looking panicked (sorry).

😁 I laughed.

Good one

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DuncinToffee · 22/03/2023 17:01

I wonder what Pannick is thinking, he is blinking and fidgeting quite a bit

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Belindabelle · 22/03/2023 17:01

Pannick is looking panicked (sorry).

minou123 · 22/03/2023 17:00

I have experience of investigating if people have deliberately done something or if it was careless (if that gives a big clue to what I do 😁)

You always start with very general questions, to let the person tell thier side of the story. Then slowly, you start to ask specific questions.
So, essentially to start with open questions, then you end with closed questions.

This can take a while. But it is very important.

LexMitior · 22/03/2023 16:59

The Boris exception is good news for Labour. What kind of accountability do you think there will be once the Conservatives are out? Sod all.

Bernard Jenkin knows that. He knows. The precedents set by Johnson are vast. They will be used against the Conservatives once they are out of office.