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PerkingFaintly · 22/03/2023 18:02

Thank you all so much for this thread. I've been exhausted trying to watch it, never mind process the Boris Blabber.

Strong Brew for you heroic commentators.

minou123 · 22/03/2023 18:00

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2023 17:48

Is Johmson losing it again with Jenkins?

Sorry, I am relying on twitter and this thread at rhe moment

Yep. He started to raise his voice, finger pointing and saying "this is nonesense"

Then there was a couple of Boris supporters in the gallery who started making lots of noise

"He's not worth it Boris" - okay they didn't say that exactly 😁

But they were starting to talk loudly and getting cross at Jenkins

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2023 17:58

From the BBC

What happens next?

After more than two hours in total of taking evidence from Boris Johnson, the Privileges Committee will now consider the former prime minister's testimony as well as the other evidence it's reviewed over the course of the inquiry.

The committee is expected to publish its verdict on Johnson by the summer.

Its findings will conclude whether or not Johnson "deliberately or recklessly" misled the House of Commons and if so whether this was a contempt.

If the committee finds against Johnson it will recommend what it considers to be the appropriate sanction.

Then, the whole House of Commons will debate the report and decide whether to accept or reject it before MPs have a free vote on the matter.

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tobee · 22/03/2023 17:54

He thought it was important part of his leadership that there were these parties. But not an important part of his leadership that he should set an example to his staff (and, of course, the country) to curb the partying.

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2023 17:48

Is Johmson losing it again with Jenkins?

Sorry, I am relying on twitter and this thread at rhe moment

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minou123 · 22/03/2023 17:46

Notonthestairs · 22/03/2023 17:38

Worth reading this thread from Adam Wagner -

My summary view of Johnson's evidence is the same as it was before he started: his case that the guidance allowed boozy non-socially distanced drinks events with no work being done is absurd and he's either lying that he thought it did or was reckless for asserting it.

twitter.com/adamwagner1/status/1638591592306024467?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Really interesting thread.

Especially the bit about still not admitting now that these events/gatherings/parties were against the rules.

I couldn't understand why, when asked, if he has changed his mind and if he recognises these events didn't follow the rules/guidance, he refused and stuck by his story that he still believes they did follow rules/ guidance.

It astounds me because a huge amount of FPNs have been issued, so surely that should give him a clue the events did not follow rules/guidance.

Adam Wagner explains it better than I can:
The reason he could not correct the record at the end is because there is a logical fallacy in his argument.

If he accepted guidance wasn’t followed now he would be asked why. He would have to give reasons and those should have been obvious at the time or shortly afterwards.

L1ttledrummergirl · 22/03/2023 17:39

He thinks they believe him and that he's done nothing wrong.
I was listening and his tone of voice changes were interesting. At one point he sounded like a tiddler, with chocolate all over their face denying they'd eaten the cake. That petulant whine, fervent denial and relief when you ask if they are sure, do they want to change their story.

I hope that the committee see through the act, the half truths and desperation. They certainly gave him enough rope to hang himself, he couldn't keep his story straight and deflected any attempt to ask questions outside his prepared answers.

It certainly made the gym easier- the hardest part was trying not to comment out loud.

Notonthestairs · 22/03/2023 17:38

Worth reading this thread from Adam Wagner -

My summary view of Johnson's evidence is the same as it was before he started: his case that the guidance allowed boozy non-socially distanced drinks events with no work being done is absurd and he's either lying that he thought it did or was reckless for asserting it.

twitter.com/adamwagner1/status/1638591592306024467?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Violetpearl · 22/03/2023 17:31

Is he is a total liar and thinks we are all **s or is he just the loveable bafoon he wants us to think he is?? I'm sure if he was still playing nice with DC we would not know most of this has happened. I just feel sorry for all the people who died without loved ones because decent law abiding citizens put the country before their own pathetic needs.

tobee · 22/03/2023 17:28

Yes i know that about Charles Walker. Which is why I think he thinks he'll be fine. However, whether that's the case or not.

Crikeyalmighty · 22/03/2023 17:28

To me the picture of them all sat on the garden in chairs with Carrie with him is evidence enough on its own- that's a party- he was there and he knew fully well it was going on as he was there

I on the other hand had 5 friends around at one point on my garden- all sat about 8 feet away from other and shouting to each other - most odd - I needn't have bothered!!

Blossomtoes · 22/03/2023 17:26

tobee · 22/03/2023 17:19

I think he thinks he's going to be fine. I think he thought Sir Charles Walker was onside and proving his point.

Then he’s even more delusional than I thought. Charles Walker has been one of his biggest critics for some time. He hasn’t done the most basic of homework.

minou123 · 22/03/2023 17:22

tobee · 22/03/2023 17:21

Addicted

I admit, I have a problem.

I remember being on @DuncinToffee threads when Trumps impeachment trial for the Capitol riots. Ooof, those were long days 😁

IClaudine · 22/03/2023 17:22

minou123 · 22/03/2023 17:18

Yes.

That's what he said

And that he had no idea the guidance were broken because he knew nothing about the detail of his government's guidance. Plus he has a very rare eye condition called party blindness, which means he can't recognise a party even when he is at one.

itsgettingweird · 22/03/2023 17:22

I'm watching bbc news.

Does he think that using the words honestly makes it true?

And telling them they have evidence against him means they can't say they do?

tobee · 22/03/2023 17:21

minou123 · 22/03/2023 17:20

And we are done.

Thank you everyone. I definitely needed you to get through that 😁

Off to watch Gwyneth Paltrow in court now.

Addicted

minou123 · 22/03/2023 17:20

And we are done.

Thank you everyone. I definitely needed you to get through that 😁

Off to watch Gwyneth Paltrow in court now.

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 22/03/2023 17:20

Blossomtoes · 22/03/2023 17:04

😂

Ha, read somewhere that his new nickname is "Pannick at the Shitshow"

This is painful viewing...

LexMitior · 22/03/2023 17:19

Personally it looks like they have him pinned on reckless and that will stick. I wonder if they can go with deliberate misleading. There is something there which will make Pannick worry I think

tobee · 22/03/2023 17:19

I think he thinks he's going to be fine. I think he thought Sir Charles Walker was onside and proving his point.

itsgettingweird · 22/03/2023 17:19

Just got home and put on bbc parliament. But they are talking about transport?

IClaudine · 22/03/2023 17:18

Crawl, crawl "what was in my heart and mind"...bleurgh!

minou123 · 22/03/2023 17:18

Nimbostratus100 · 22/03/2023 17:17

Have I got this right?

He says the guidance was not followed at all times, but when he said it was, he said so because he believed it was.

AND he says

He says the guidance was followed at all times.

Yes.

That's what he said

jgw1 · 22/03/2023 17:17

IClaudine · 22/03/2023 17:17

It is the British custom, jgw. No-one can leave a job without the involvement of booze.

Booze is important because it is a sanitiser and therefore prevents the spread of nasty viruses.

Nimbostratus100 · 22/03/2023 17:17

Have I got this right?

He says the guidance was not followed at all times, but when he said it was, he said so because he believed it was.

AND he says

He says the guidance was followed at all times.