Why are the Tories allowing this to happen to the country?

I think Starmer can win the next GE but a coalition is probably going to be more likely, as usual both sides will use every dirty trick in the book, in recent years the Tories have been much cleverer.
My bet is the Tories will gain support a hung parliament will result

@Alexandra2001 it's alarming isn't it. Luckily my FIL at 83 appears to have had a complete mind switch - and is very concerned at the way things are going. He was Brexity and that changed radically- especially when we were living in Copenhagen- he saw just how much better stuff was handled. He had no idea everything was so integrated commercially and he's very aware now that if legal immigration isn't coming from young, fit EU guys and gals then it will be coming from elsewhere , however well hidden . I think living where he does was influencing him- it's a very Brexity area with a lot of over 60s who aren't very liberal. Even better is he now wants to move!! He's a very young 83 and I think that area aged him mentally .

@Crikeyalmighty What i find the most depressing is that not only don't they care about others..... they don't care about their children/grand children either.

So my in laws listened intently to my DD telling them the horror show that is the NHS but they then said they'd still vote Tory as "Labour tax too much"

A friend, his DD works in NHS, said he'll vote Tory despite what his DD tells him, he is a keen cyclist, always moaning about potholes BUT apparently thats down to giving the EU too much money........

I'm hoping these folk are the Tory base and that it will shrink but given FPTP i'm not sure....

@Alexandra2001 I don't think Cornwall is that representative if I'm honest -and I myself know a fair few older folk (usually ones in business or who had businesses) who def won't vote Tory. We can only hope!!

But you are right there is a hardened core who are just bitter nasty minded selfish people - who don't give a shit about others

There is no evidence that inflation is linked to pay increase. There's been plenty written about it. Its old fashioned theory that fits their ideology

Very true, bankers pay isn't causing inflation, neither is Sunaks but an extra £2000 for nurse will.

Tesco made 1 billion profit, but supermarket price rises don't cause inflation but pay a worker an extra £2 per hour will embed inflation.....

Its beyond belief people still believe this crap about wages, which are still, on average 1/2 the inflation rate.

Labour haven't said they will fund pay demands 100% , just that they will talk but unless NHS get a significant pay rise, then it will only be those with private insurance who will get care.

I'm just going on my bit of Cornwall, which seems to be quite representative, the folk we mix with (reluctantly!) were and still are pro Brexit, just the Cons were dragged back by the remainers and whilst they are critical of the Tories, they think Labour are no better or probably worse.

I don't know know any Tory voters who will vote LD or Lab, even the majority can't stand their Con MP but we did return a Lab councillors 2 years ago.

I think the polling, nationally, is wrong & punters are lying to pollsters, sure Lab have a lead but its not 15%.

I hope to god i'm wrong, i couldn't stand another 5 years of these criminals.

There is no evidence that inflation is linked to pay increase. There's been plenty written about it. Its old fashioned theory that fits their ideology.

Maybe because they are blind drunk most of the time?

@Alexandra2001 I agree with your post but I'm not so sure the Tory's will win- I think they will lose in the Home Counties and also lose some of the red wall seats. if they do win then we are off again- and given the new nomad visas in some great countries are in a position to do so .

@TheHandmaiden I totally agree. My FIL was all Brexity until he realised the young ladies that cared for his terminally ill partner were polish and that it is a nightmare for our business and he is now realising exactly how much rent is for our son and how hard it is to get a home in vast swathes of the country . He admits he was totally out of touch . He won't be voting Tory!!

I agree.
Labour, and the rest, should absolutely be held to a high standard. The highest standards of all should be expected of the actual government though. The Tories seem to get away with anything though and their voters bend over backwards (or should that be forwards) to let them.

I really hate how Labour are held to a far higher standard then the Tories

Absolutely. As stupid and misguided as she was, seeing Abbot getting mauled for what she wrote by the Tories was the perfect example of this. They’ve got monstrosities such as Braverman, Gullis and 30p Lee churning up hatred, half truths and division wherever possible. That’s perfectly fine, of course, nothing to see here….

So Sunak and other top Tories saying in Parliament that Starmer enabled Saville is perfectly acceptable?

I really hate how Labour are held to a far higher standard then the Tories.

But as far as facts go..... since 2010, 4000 plus child sex offenders have escaped jail, so in the 13 years the Tories have nothing to reform sentencing guidelines.

As far as your mum goes, older you get, the more Tory you become, exceptions of course but thats how it is.

It's a bitter mean spirited country of old bitter voters. You watch them start yelling about social care when it applies to them or that the NHS doesn't do everything or potholes. Then of course something should be done.

A country that does not invest in its young is screwed. It has nothing to plan for except inherited wealth for a lucky few. Boomers are more Victorian minded than their own parents, who fought and gave their children what was needed.

I suggest that you put this point of view to my 82yo mother, she’ll rip your head off!

Yeah but I can’t vote for a party that thinks it’s acceptable to campaign with a poster suggesting Rishi Suank supports paedophiles.. so what the fuck do I do now?
So bloody ANGRY!

Very true, a friends parents, in their late 70s, when asked why they voted to leave the EU said "We ve done our travelling and lived abroad, we don't care about that now"

They have 2 children and 4 grandchildren, clever people too, like my barrister cousin, doesn't care about future generations, all they care about is migration and how the 'Mail tells them to vote.

I strongly suspect the Tories will win again next year because of these folk and because the young for whatever reason, don't vote in enough numbers.

It's because the whole country is run for the rich based on barely disguised contempt for the young.

Britain is full of regressive old people who claim to be liberal but when you look at the last 40 years that is rubbish. The boomer generation vote not for their kids but their own interest. This is in contrast to their own parents who voted for the welfare state after the war.

It's a selfish, ageing country crippling its young. Very conservative

They are not ''allowing it'', they actively caused it...

Because all they care about is making money for themselves and their mates.

They have zero interest in building a better, fairer country and improve standards of living.

Until people realise that and stop voting for people like that, then we will continue to decline.

I had an economist friend in 90s (he has an OBE now) who used to say how awful PFI was and what Labour should have done instead. Sorry can't remember details, but it was a different borrowing/investing programme, anyway.

Well, it was the Tories that first introduced PFI and the continued with PFI contracts long into their first term.

Look i don't disagree with yours or anyone else's criticisms BUT so far no one has come up with what Labour should have done.

On long term costs, Govt borrowing is also extremely expensive, gilts are not free.

You can argue it was justified, but that should include understanding that the claim that the LP was so much better at spending on essential services was accomplished by burdening the citizens of the future with costs that could completely cripple the whole system.

Which is no doubt part of the reason they thought it looked like a good idea, they would be able to claim the credit and would be long time by the time people realized the implications of paying many many times what the actual costs of the hospitals were. And with a little luck they might even blame it on the other party.

@Crazykatie I think you are right and I think that's why a lot of Starmers rhetoric and policies at the moment are quite neutral- give the press less to work with in advance. People may or may not like him but I think he's a very sharp cookie but fundamentally a decent person.

Because they don't give a fuck.

Stop voting for them please everyone.

“so no longer care and are out to now put themselves in a good position to sail off into the sunset and leave a monumental headache for an incoming government .”

Dont bet on that, they will fight hard at the next GE, Starmer is going to need every vote he can get to get a working majority, it could so easily end as a awkward coalition.