Can we talk about Labour's plans?

As a woman, I won’t vote for them until they state officially that they know a woman is an adult human female.

Yep this is where a lot of people are - politically homeless. I get that the tories are a shit show but losing the existential right to protections afforded to biological women is a huge deal. And once it’s gone, and women really wake up to what this erosion actually means for the safety and dignity and quality of life for girls and women it’ll be too late.

It's a great policy. I will vote Labour at the next election (local and general).

Green energy? As in Germany, where the energy costs are the highest ( adjusted for currency) in Europe, and where they have re opened the coal fired power stations and stopped mothballing the nuclear power stations because their industry was being paralysed by high energy costs and unavailability ?
But of course it will be different in UK , because ????

I saw something earlier about their manifesto excluding both introduction of PR & any change on Brexit?
Those 2 things, plus their passion for self-ID, would currently keep me from voting for them, regardless of any green initiatives.
(I’m in a safe Tory seat anyway so will just be spoiling my ballot 🤷🏼‍♀️ Pragmatically, the result will be determined by a minority of voters in a minority of seats)

Promising. If they support the recommendations of the Cass review when it comes then they have won me.

Not a chance would I vote Labour.

I agree blix labour have come some way but there is a way to go. Ok the whole though, I'd lean towards a gamble on labour again given Truss. We've spent so much money forcibly due to covid, energy I'm thinking at some point we'll end up defaulting - might as well have (green) energy security.

Anyone who thinks this won’t affect every aspect of life for Women and children is a fool.

But equally, anyone who thinks that the Tories are in the slightest bit bothered about protecting women's rights is also a fool.

So what are we supposed to do? Should we all just stop voting altogether?

How can you trust anyone who stands there and states publicly that a Man can become a Woman (or vice versa) or that a 3 year old can have a gender identity and that anyone who disagrees or has safeguarding concerns, is a right wing bigot?

They are either outright lying or , more disturbingly, they actually have been brainwashed into believing it. This ‘queer’ agenda is like a Cancer within Labour.
Anyone who thinks this won’t affect every aspect of life for Women and children is a fool.

I voted Labour from 1979 until Tony Blair invaded Iraq.
I would have gone back to them in 2019 if not for Corbyn.
So I now find myself a possible Labour voter once more.

Starmer is making the right noises now. He has some good people on the front bench apart from Raynor.
But agree with @RudsyFarmer , lurking in the background there are still people I would not dare trust with any power.

I don’t trust the people within the party. Now saying that I don’t trust the conservatives either but at least they have a notion of how ordinary people think and behave. Labour seem to reflect online madness. They have some fucking terrifying fringe elements who are working their way up the ranks and are lead by a leader who is frankly terrified of stepping out of line.

I'm over the moon about the emphasis on green energy transition. It's good for everyone if done well, imho and in line with many other countries approach (unlike Tory direction).

Fair enough, @MarshaBradyo . We each have our red lines. The Tories crossed mine a long time ago.

That's how I feel.

It's a question of priorities at the end of the day. And while I'm really worried about self ID and the damage that it could potentially do, I'm far more worried about the damage that the Tories are doing right now.

The problem for me is language in law. I need words like woman preserved and looking around to other countries makes me nervous. When it unravels it’s not a minority issue but one that impacts half the population.

It is my hill. I won’t concede easily. So frustrating though as I’m naturally centre ground and want to hear positive approach from Labour akin to Blair years (pre illegal war)

I agree. Furthermore, Labour's recent 'fully costed' plans have been ripped apart so there's no reason this should be any different.

I am firmly GC and in the past Labour's stance on TWAW and self ID would have made me very, very reluctant to give them my vote.

However I am so utterly horrified by what the Tories are doing to this country that identity politics is not a hill that I am currently willing to die on.

I really don't get the ID politics it just doesn't feature in my real life. Maybe I am being ignorant to this.

I do however see hungry kids at my work run down education and health services and through my volunteering people struggling with mental health and every day bills.

Nobody has ever mentioned ID except in here.

Why?

I’ll be voting for them. The Tories are nothing short of evil.

He was good. Self deprecating about the poll lead last time which was quite endearing. I wouldn’t say it’s all ironed out (it might be but still more to hear) but he gave detail. It includes borrowing for cost. They’re right to use him more over Rayner imo

Yes, the idea of reversing Brexit is just wishful thinking, I'm afraid. I would certainly vote in favour of that, but I'm resigned to the fact that it won't happen. Not for a good few years, at any rate.

I do think we might rejoin in the longer term, but not in the next decade or so. Neither of the major parties will be brave enough to propose it, regardless of whether they believe that we should.

They won't reverse Brexit! That's done & dusted. We are left making the best of it.

Interesting - would love to know what independent analysts think. They need more than one good policy idea, although it's a good start.