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The country surely has to be ready for Labour now??

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83DanishMum · 03/09/2022 14:02

Education Secretary Kemi Badenoch!
Home Secretary Suella Braverman!
Levelling Up Secretary...Jacob Rees-Mogg!!!!!! 😂🤣😭😭😭

Populist Prime Minister Truss has apparently already appointed her joke of a cabinet. Never did I think there could be a Home Secretary worse than Priti Patel!

Barely any mention of the climate throughout this whole diabolical leadership scrap, other than the fact that Liz doesn't like the look of solar panels. 🤦‍♀️FML.

What have the Tories actually achieved during their tenure? Except Brexit which has made things worse. Anyone??

I don't find Keir Starmer inspirational but he's clearly decent, credible, honest and competent. He understands we need a green economy, investment and jobs asap. He doesn't pick a fight with our European allies. A coalition led by him including Lib Dems and Greens would also be fine by me. Some adults in the room at last, please!!

Contrary to Daily Fail scare mongering the polls suggest he wouldn't need any deal with the SNP.

Surely the country is ready for a Labour led government at last???

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83DanishMum · 03/09/2022 17:45

Sick of reading this, we have absolute muppets currently, Labour would be fine in comparison. Why do people need Labour to be perfect but the Tories are ok to be corrupt?

This is so true!

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83DanishMum · 03/09/2022 17:45

You don't belive a sovereign country should be allowed to vote on if its stays in a union that makes their lives actively worse? Not a huge fan of democracy then?

@JustAnotherPoster00 I think that as it stands we've had a horribly divisive period with Brexit. The Queen is going to die in the next few years and there will be another massive national debate about republicanism which will be vicious. The last thing we need is yet another divisive row about indyref2. Don't get me wrong, debate is valid but the way politics is so polarised at present this will all be really destructive to the nation. Indiyref1 was meant to be a once in a lifetime vote. Since I voted Remain I'm fucking furious that we Brexited, but I would not condone another EU referendum in the next 20 years as that's not democratic either and would only cause more division and resentment.

We need to work to unite the nation instead of tearing ourselves apart like they are in the States.

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83DanishMum · 03/09/2022 17:39

To add to that @pastabest I think your point would be valid had Corbyn still been leader, but Starmer has shifted Labour to the centre and therefore way more palatable.

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83DanishMum · 03/09/2022 17:38

The Labour party need to accept that they are really two (at least) completely incompatible parties now that their voters on either side can't get on board with the other side of the party. Neither side is electable on its own merit either.

@pastabest exactly the same can be said for the Tories though. The one nation ones and the populist bunch currently sat round the cabinet table. The populist group are becoming ever more Katie Hopkins-esque in their sensationalist Trumpian divisive mode, and are alienating the more central moderate Tories to the extent they will be more likely to vote for someone rational like Starmer.

By the way Owen Jones does not speak for Labour.

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BasiliskStare · 03/09/2022 17:23

@WallaceinAnderland - exactly so

Does not inspire confidence and a bit of an arm chair general - Who on earth can make that comment and expect to be taken seriously. I cannot take man who says most women don't have penises seriously

I reckon Yvette Cooper could do a decent job.

carefullycourageous · 03/09/2022 17:23

pastabest · 03/09/2022 14:20

the problem is that Labour aren't ready to run the country rather than the country isn't ready for them.

we are crying out for an electable alternative. Labour in its current manifestation isn't it.

Sick of reading this, we have absolute muppets currently, Labour would be fine in comparison. Why do people need Labour to be perfect but the Tories are ok to be corrupt?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/09/2022 17:20

83DanishMum · 03/09/2022 17:08

Why NOT the SNP? because @AmandaMirandaPanda they would hold the PM to ransom over another Indy ref which I wouldn't support

You don't belive a sovereign country should be allowed to vote on if its stays in a union that makes their lives actively worse? Not a huge fan of democracy then?

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83DanishMum · 03/09/2022 17:18

Acheyknees · 03/09/2022 15:34

I don't really see much talent on the Labour front benches. We need the likes of Straw, Brown and David Miliband. The current shadow cabinet are instantly forgettable. I can't think of one politician of any party I really admire who could get us out of this mess.

I be agree to an extent @Acheyknees - those you named were heavyweights we need more of. It's the same in the Tory party, as Johnson purged all the decent ones. However I do think Starmer is decent, and people like Wes Streeting is pretty strong and articulate, Lisa Nandy is decent if not exciting, Yvette Cooper strong, Emily Thornberry, David Lanny strong. I agree nothing like the New Labour lot but infinitely better than Braverman and Co.

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meateatingveggie · 03/09/2022 17:17

No way will I vote Labour. Wouldn't have a clue what we'd get.

Tory? No thanks. And there's the problem.

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83DanishMum · 03/09/2022 17:14

WallaceinAnderland · 03/09/2022 15:02

Keir Starmer says 'vast majority' of women 'don't have a penis'

Doesn't inspire confidence does it.

To be honest, I can't put this statement over and above the way the Tories are destroying the rights of women through childcare, maternity, employment, education, birth choices, abysmal rape convictions, Womens safety, refusal to make misogyny a hate crime, and destroying the future for young people.

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roarfeckingroarr · 03/09/2022 17:14

I'll be voting Tory again

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83DanishMum · 03/09/2022 17:11

Lansonmaid · 03/09/2022 14:58

In the Times today it is reported that Liz Truss is planning a bonfire of employment regulations, starting with the Working Time Directive. Apparently it will make us more competitive. ....I fear US style holiday allowances, probably cuts to maternity and paternity leave....

So we will be cold, hungry and burnt out...

Yes, she's a fool. She's lurching in the wrong direction.

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83DanishMum · 03/09/2022 17:11

That is why people keep voting Tories in, because they know how bad they are, they know exactly what to expect.

Except they don't know how bad they are - or at least how bad they can be. They are getting worse (further right) with each reincarnation of PM. You thought Boris's cabinet of fools was bad. Wait till you see what we've got coming on Tuesday.

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83DanishMum · 03/09/2022 17:08

Why NOT the SNP? because @AmandaMirandaPanda they would hold the PM to ransom over another Indy ref which I wouldn't support

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bloodyplanes · 03/09/2022 16:43

@pastabest explains why, far better than I could.

bloodyplanes · 03/09/2022 16:42

I wouldn't vote for them currently!

wellhelloitsme · 03/09/2022 16:15

The idea of Rees Mogg as Levelling Up Secretary is the absolute proof of how out of touch the party is. Jesus Christ.

And for those who aren't already aware, if you're a woman or have women and girls in your life you care about, or you (as you should) care about women and girls at all, Truss would have this man in a position of huge influence:

Rees-Mogg is the man who argues abortion should be banned in all circumstances, and women who have an abortion after being raped are committing a “second wrong”.
Jesus fucking Christ.

xalo · 03/09/2022 16:05

@Lansonmaid why do you assume I'll vote Tory?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 03/09/2022 16:00

🧑‍🎤🦕🐑🤭

pastabest · 03/09/2022 15:51

Justbetweenus · 03/09/2022 14:47

@pastabest Why do you say you don’t think Labour are ready?

Because they don't even know who they represent anymore, and they can't come out batting for either side without seriously upsetting the other.

it's stuffed to the gills with champagne socialists and career politicians and a smattering of agitators who just want to stick it to the tories but would crumble if they had to make any actual decisions about running the country. This is all aided and abetted by 'commentators' such as Owen Jones who have their own agendas entirely separately.

The Labour party need to accept that they are really two (at least) completely incompatible parties now that their voters on either side can't get on board with the other side of the party. Neither side is electable on its own merit either.

don't get me wrong I would love nothing more than to see the tories out, but I've lost all faith in Labour to make serious, sensible, well thought through policy decisions rather than just playing to the Twitter gallery.

ditto Lib Dems.

There are really decent centre politicians from both the right and left that have gone very quiet, or left due to reasons of integrity. It's become polarised on both sides of the chamber.

Lansonmaid · 03/09/2022 15:37

xalo · 03/09/2022 15:17

As a woman with daughters and granddaughters I cannot vote for Labour.

If Jacob Rees-Mogg gets his way they won't have a lot of hard won employment rights left.....do you really believe the Tories have the best interests of women at heart?

ginghamstarfish · 03/09/2022 15:36

You'd think so but they seem completely feeble and useless.

Acheyknees · 03/09/2022 15:34

I don't really see much talent on the Labour front benches. We need the likes of Straw, Brown and David Miliband. The current shadow cabinet are instantly forgettable. I can't think of one politician of any party I really admire who could get us out of this mess.

Ylvamoon · 03/09/2022 15:26

Keir Starmer ... he's clearly decent, credible, honest and competent

Come on, he's a politician!

Sadly, I don't think we currently have ANY credible politicians

Underanothersky · 03/09/2022 15:25

xalo · 03/09/2022 15:17

As a woman with daughters and granddaughters I cannot vote for Labour.

Just let women starve and freeze then?