The country surely has to be ready for Labour now??

Still no one has said what's great about Labour ...

Labour have lost the plot - men as women's officers, rapists in women's prisons, men self-iding as women, expulsion from the party and sending people for re-education if they don't believe?! 100,000 members have left. #nothankyou

I don't disagree with you. But sacrificing the environment, workers' rights and that's a huge one, abortion rights (Rees Mogg is rapidly pro life), sacrificing our rights to unionise and protest, sacrificing our rights to free (at the point of delivery) healthcare. Can you not see what is at stake here? The Tories have lied through their teeth, they can't even be trusted on women's rights, if they change tack we will not have the right to protest.

That has literally nothing to do with the point being made. The claim was that they are not listening; if they weren’t then they would not have had the windfall tax or cost of living payments.

The latest polls say if there was an election Labour would have a 176 seat majority. We need a Labour government, if the Liberals, Greens & SNP would vote with a Labour Government the remaining Tories would be wiped out especially as many of the current cabinet would lose their seats in the election.

Given the windfall tax and cost of living payments your claim doesn’t seem believable.

Truss has ruled out energy company windfall taxes, apparently fracking will be the solution to our energy problems. Cost of living payments only cover those in receipt of certain benefits/credits. But handouts aren't the answer in any case. A government shouldn't be enabling businesses to pay employees non-living wages and giving subsidies in order for them to make huge profits. It's absolute insanity and morally bankrupt.

Labour have lost the plot - men as women's officers, rapists in women's prisons, men self-iding as women, expulsion from the party and sending people for re-education if they don't believe?! 100,000 members have left. #nothankyou

Labour have lost the plot - men as women's officers, rapists in women's prisons, men self-iding as women, expulsion from the party and sending people for re-education if they don't believe?! 100,000 members have left. #nothankyou

oops I’m tired, off to bed now , but Labour are not listening to women

I mean TMAW

If they were listening to women, they would not be saying TWAW.

Why do you believe that they aren’t listening? Have you any evidence for this or is it just what you imagine to be true?

Given the windfall tax and cost of living payments your claim doesn’t seem believable.

Absolutely agree with this.

The Tories listen to the electorate

A huge portion of the country is terrified of the rising energy bills which will tip them into poverty. Are the Tories listening, are they hell. They have no comprehension of what it feels like to not have money for the basics, to be earning a full time wage and still be in poverty.

The Labour Party thinks the electorate should listen to the Labour Party., any body who thinks TWANW have been insulted and told not to vote for them. I’m sure this is reproduced in other areas of policy making as well.
The Tories listen to the electorate, this is demonstrated by the Tories defence of womens rights to sex based facilities.

The naivety is on your part.

No naivety here. I'm so, so angry about Labour's absolutely zero support for women, for their crap understanding of working class issues and for Starmer's complete lack of any backbone. But for the love of god, voting the Tory Party in is not the answer. If there was a credible socialist option I would take it.

Not voting labour Until they get out of Stonewall, stop being misogynistic and homophobic and start to represent 50% of the adult population and start to safeguard children.

Really? Could you link? I'm not aware of any concrete policy proposals, especially spending plans.

See when Tories vote for the Tories, they know without a shadow of a doubt that the Tories will do everything in their power to protect them.

Can a Labour voter vote for Labour with that same sense of assurance?

Sick of reading this, we have absolute muppets currently, Labour would be fine in comparison. Why do people need Labour to be perfect but the Tories are ok to be corrupt?

There is no point moaning when people state the problem.

A majority of the country think the Tories are doing a bad job but (unlike in the past) the opposition parties are so shit that many won't vote for them either.

The Tory vote is much more unified, that's why Johnson won last time. It's not enough to say people should vote labour- people need to be convinced Labour deserve their vote.

“We will lose everything if that happens.”

”single sex spaces will be a minor issue…”

wow if you can’t see how incongruent that is, then you won’t understand why Labour haven’t been voted into power nor been trusted by working classes and women. The naivety is on your part.

these people have been let down badly by Labour and it’s showing at the ballot box quite rightly.

you can't call people bigots, transphobes, gammon and racists and then cry when they won't vote for you any more and yell about how the tories are worse and it's not fair.

I agree. Labour did this to itself. It is frustrating and was so unnecessary.

I just don’t understand this viewpoint. Why should being brought up by parents incapable of supporting you or even keeping a roof over your head give you any special insight into how the country should be governed?

Surely it’s those who provide stable homes for their family and who are capable of holding down a good job who we should be listening to.

I'm not going to quote/copy your last reply to me because it's large, but can you genuinely not see the issue in your response?

All those groups of people feel like they have been labelled as those 'slurs' by the Labour Party and it's been made clear to them they aren't welcome.

The Labour Party have alienated the vast majority of their core voters because the people in charge have an ideological position that they feel is 'correct' doesn't match that of the people who would usually vote for them.

you can't call people bigots, transphobes, gammon and racists and then cry when they won't vote for you any more and yell about how the tories are worse and it's not fair.

In fact, most people don't care about this issue nearly as much as the RW press or Mumsnet would have you believe.

So why are Starmer etc tying themselves in such ridiculous knots? If people don't care, just speak the truth. Say 'men have penises, women have vaginas' and move on. I am not inclined to entrust government to grown adults who pretend that women can have penises.

A crisis coalition would be the best solution for now, I think. Take the best people from each party. I won't vote Tory and no longer trust Labour.

Mick Lynch for PM at this point.

But I will vote Starmer, I'm not willing to do anything that will keep the Tories in power. We will lose everything if that happens, single sex spaces will be a minor issue when you have to return to a 48 hour working week moments after giving birth. When we lose our right to protest, lose our right to unionise.There are some very naive people on Mumsnet, it is horrifying. I was homeless as child and experienced extreme poverty. Some of you have no clue.