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What do mumsnet mums think about transgender issues and the politics attached to this being introduced in primary schools?

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politicalbabe · 30/06/2022 16:42

Hi mums, as a primary and secondary school teacher I am interested in what mumsnet mums think about your children being exposed to: drag queens reading stories to your little ones; political thoughts and ideas being given to young children which could cause confusion? Would like to hear your thoughts?
Many thanks.^^

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bellinisurge · 12/07/2022 11:35

You can teach children to be open hearted and open minded in an age appropriate way but the most important thing to teach them is boundaries.
Drag is adult entertainment - it is sexualised and completely inappropriate for kids. It is not panto. I personally despise the concept of both drag queens and panto dames. Both are Womanface as far as I am concerned. I'm prepared to concede panto dames in a panto. Beyond that is giving children a horrible message about what women are.

politicalbabe · 10/07/2022 08:40

You are right I haven't researched ...but need to do this.

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Norden · 08/07/2022 08:44

@politicalbabe look up

Transgender Trend
Safe Schools Alliance

There is a very strong movement to pull the teaching of gender ideology from schools as it teaches children going through puberty who are having a hard time accepting the changes in their bodies that they are the opposite sex.

The Department for Education also provided guidance in Sept 2020 which set out the rules, also;

www.theguardian.com/education/2020/sep/25/government-issues-gender-identity-guidance-for-teachers-in-england

RosaGallica · 05/07/2022 21:44

“Own” your very own small school?

you’ve not been on here then before or come across the reputation on the internet? Try searching for some. This issue’s been going on for years and there are a couple of representative groups pressuring. Somehow it hasn’t had the success compared to the very small number pushing trans ideology. There’s been some speculation in the past about why this is, and why trans rights have been pushed so far so fast compared to other struggles for rights. Such as women’s, in fact.

politicalbabe · 02/07/2022 09:48

Hi I'm certainly not fishing for anything - just the truth of what sensible mums like you think of the situation. I'm a teacher of both primary and secondary aged children and therefore I'm in contact with lots of students and their parents.

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politicalbabe · 01/07/2022 16:41

Oh really - that's an interesting point. However, I do think that a group of sensible women, like yourself, would carry a lot of weight. Speak or write to your MP - I'm certainly going to do this.

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politicalbabe · 01/07/2022 16:39

I totally agree with you. Why are we allowing some schools to have this in their curriculum?

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NoToLandfill · 01/07/2022 15:28

Problem is noone is going to listen to the mums. It's the dads that need to complain.

politicalbabe · 01/07/2022 10:54

Hi, no I'm not a journalist but just a concerned teacher of primary and secondary school children. I've just been hearing a number of reports from mums about this and just wanted to know the general view of sensible mums, like yourselves. I own my own very small school so I am in contact with lots of mums and dads.

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politicalbabe · 01/07/2022 10:47

Children of 9 years of age are very impressionable and believe what their teachers tell them. This is not an appropriate subject for primary age children.

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politicalbabe · 01/07/2022 10:45

I totally agree - who came up with this crazy idea!

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politicalbabe · 01/07/2022 10:44

Yes I totally agree - the UK is not China or Russia.

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politicalbabe · 01/07/2022 10:43

I totally agree - these beliefs are not facts - but are being taught as facts! It is crazy to say to a primary aged child that there are 92 genders! What crazy cult idea is this!

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politicalbabe · 01/07/2022 10:42

Yes, and our children should not be used as an experiment! Protest, speak, write to your MP.

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politicalbabe · 01/07/2022 10:41

I agree - these drag queens are for an adult audience not for our primary aged children. Protest, write to your MP...I'm going to!

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politicalbabe · 01/07/2022 10:39

How crazy is that! She or he should not be allowed to indoctrinate your children.

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politicalbabe · 01/07/2022 10:38

Hi so pleased to hear that most mums would not be happy about this. I have my own very small school so of course I'm not teaching "transgender studies," however, I'm hearing some reports from mums about nephews and nieces who at primary level, are confused about their own identity. I do believe that mums should keep a careful eye on this and if you are concerned, ask to see the school's PSHE curriculum. I hear that some schools in Brighton are using drag queen's to read stories to primary aged children. Don't forget that we, the tax payer, are paying for this nonsense. Don't forget that you the parents are allowed to have access to the school's curriculum. Also, speak or write to your MP. What are the government doing about this?

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LisaSimpson77 · 30/06/2022 18:25

vodkaredbullgirl · 30/06/2022 16:58

Not this again.

Somebody thinks of a new and exciting way to reintroduce this topic at least once a day so maybe just read a few of the other threads?

Cozytoesandtoast00 · 30/06/2022 17:21

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MistyFuckingQuigley · 30/06/2022 17:21

I think the op is on a fishing expedition. They'll be screenshotting for their twatter account.

Bobnotpop · 30/06/2022 17:17

Would you invite a man to read to the children, encourage them to twerk, use highly sexualised language, mock women like their mothers and blow kisses at them? why is it ok if they’re wearing a skirt?

gender theory is a belief, like any religion or philosophy. We live in a democracy so we all have a right to our beliefs, but also not to believe. These beliefs shouldn’t be taught as fact to young people, wait until they’re old enough to understand the nuances and if really necessary teach it as something that some people believe. I nature that when it is taught that all the facts are made clear, including some of the less palatable ones, like puberty blockers preventing orgasm in some people. Again, they need to be old enough to properly understand the ramifications.

most importantly I’d like children to be taught that they really can be their authentic selves. If boys & men want to explore their feminine sides, brilliant- do it. If women don’t want to conform to feminine stereotypes- hooray, that’s cool. You’re still men and women, boys and girls - you don’t have to alter your bodies, you don’t have to join a different club. Don’t leave the gang and call yourselves non binary, help the rest of us show the world that men and women come in all sorts of packages.

ehb102 · 30/06/2022 17:15

Unacceptable.

In Rainbows the leader explained that she wasn't a boy or a girl to five and six year olds. Lies. Indoctrination.

TheSonjaMorgan · 30/06/2022 17:12

I am against indoctrination of any ideology into my children. I want the teachers to teach them facts not opinions. They should not even know what the opinions of the teachers are to things, they should be completely unbiased.

People can't change sex. At no point in the school curriculum is it appropriate to pretend to children that they can.

Single sex facilities in schools should remain single sex and additional provision should be found for non binary and transgender children.

Buythebag40 · 30/06/2022 17:03

I'm absolutely fine with drag queens reading stories to children

Im not. I think it could be very confusing for most children and what is the actual point? WHY do we need drag queens reading stories to children? What purpose is it serving? Who is gaining from this?

I think it's ridiculous and unfortunately mainly to do with being desperate to have some kind of woke agenda rather than actually having any positive/helpful basis in real life. Children should not be being told that it is possible for them to change sex if they don't "feel like a girl/boy". It's dangerous and it is basically lying to impressionable young children.

I was very angry at my ds's recent graduation to be told that there will no longer be a Head Girl/Boy but Head People. Why? Is it wrong to be a girl or a boy now? 99.9% of the population should discard their sex to make an extremely EXTREMELY small percentage of people (who may or may not even give a fuck) potentially feel better about their choices or "pronouns" or whatever the fuck it is being called this week?

I just feel like the world has gone fucking mad.

FriendlyPineapple · 30/06/2022 17:02

There is not one justifiable or logical reason for any adult to come into school wearing underwear or sexualised clothing to read bedtime stories to children.