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Johnson changing the Ministerial Code.

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HappydaysArehere · 28/05/2022 10:35

So when the rules are broken Johnson just changes the rules. How expected is that?What does it mean for our democratic Parliament? ITV news mentioned the deletion of words like truth and integrity. So it won’t be possible to sack anyone for lying to Parliament so long as they apologise and maybe have some cut in salary. What I can’t understand and want to ask is this change possible without the consent of a Parliamentary vote? Can’t help remembering that Putin changed the rules to enable him to stay in power! What is happening to this country while we discuss Ukraine and the cost of living crisis?

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leotardrock · 29/05/2022 23:37

Oh mine is in a safe seat too - god knows why - the area is becoming more & more run down! he replied when I wrote to him about Hancock but I guess he had resigned by then, he didn't reply to my initial partygate letter but I'll still send him another one!

Even if it's just the inconvenience of having to try & justify Johnson's atrocious behaviour for the umpteenth time then I'll keep writing!

When I wrote my Matt Hancock letter I even told him I didn't want a reply because I didn't want him to even try & justify it - but still he did! 🙄

HappydaysArehere · 29/05/2022 23:19

leotardrock · 28/05/2022 18:15

I'm going to write to my MP again!

leotardrock
You are so fortunate that you have an MP who answers you. I have written three times and no answer is the firm reply. He sits in his safe seat and does very little. On the other side of our area we have a hardworking excellent MP who has recently sent in a letter of no confidence. He is also hardworking and a man of integrity. If only we lived a few miles away.and had such an MP.

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leotardrock · 29/05/2022 20:55

I'm watching Elizabeth - The Unseen Queen on BBC1 -honestly say what you like about the Royal Family but the Queen's total devotion to Service & Public duty is shining through!

It's making me so angry that she is having to deal with this moral vacuum for what may be her last Prime Minister! 😡

ilovesooty · 29/05/2022 13:16

Ablababla · 29/05/2022 13:14

This is utterly blatant trashing of constitutional norms. Ministers
lying to Parliament without consequences undermines our entire system of government. I don’t think it can be taken too seriously.

Agreed. It's totally without any precedent. No previous prime minister would even have considered doing this. I'm utterly appalled at the fact that this can happen.

Ablababla · 29/05/2022 13:14

This is utterly blatant trashing of constitutional norms. Ministers
lying to Parliament without consequences undermines our entire system of government. I don’t think it can be taken too seriously.

ilovesooty · 29/05/2022 13:00

Fifteentoes · 29/05/2022 10:37

Oh, and because he "knows what a woman is". Remember that's far more important than having any concept of honesty or accountability.

Oh yes. That of course renders rewriting the ministerial code for his own benefit unimportant. He can deliver a soundbite about a woman and all else is swept aside.

Fifteentoes · 29/05/2022 10:37

Oh, and because he "knows what a woman is". Remember that's far more important than having any concept of honesty or accountability.

Fifteentoes · 29/05/2022 10:35

Mumwantingtogetitright · 28/05/2022 12:14

It is extremely concerning that this is happening, and what is even more concerning is that there isn't a huge outcry about it. Why isn't there more outrage about this?

Because he's such a lovable fool and doesn't comb his hair and Got Brexit Done!

These are the British electorate's priorities.

leotardrock · 28/05/2022 18:15

I'm going to write to my MP again!

Cheesecakeandwineinasuitcase · 28/05/2022 18:12

It just goes from bad to worse doesn’t it?

itsgettingweird · 28/05/2022 18:03

ilovesooty · 28/05/2022 17:43

He's totally unfit to govern.
His backbenchers are largely craven and cowardly and as venal and self serving as he is.
He's surrounded himself with a Cabinet of incompetent, thick nodding dogs.
This isn't about Conservative and Labour. It's about integrity. No previous Prime Minister would have done this. It's absolutely without precedent.

Anyone still planning to vote for him now knowing what he's done is in my opinion utterly lacking in integrity and morals, self serving sociopathic or utterly incapable of understanding who he is.

This.

He's playing political Tetris and constantly moving and turning the blocks. He wants to disenfranchise the population so that this all becomes too much that people just give up, accept it and think this is government and they are all the same.

Part of this is trying to convince the electorate they get him or Starmer.

What's more concerning to me is that a) people actually buy if he goes we get a Labour government and b) that we can still have and will have a Tory government and he goes - yet there is no one (apparently) suitable awaiting in the wings from the 300 odd MPs they have around the country.

I said the other day he's mirroring some of Putins whilst also condemning him. But he's always been extremely careful for only condemning him for his actions in Ukraine.

ilovesooty · 28/05/2022 17:43

He's totally unfit to govern.
His backbenchers are largely craven and cowardly and as venal and self serving as he is.
He's surrounded himself with a Cabinet of incompetent, thick nodding dogs.
This isn't about Conservative and Labour. It's about integrity. No previous Prime Minister would have done this. It's absolutely without precedent.

Anyone still planning to vote for him now knowing what he's done is in my opinion utterly lacking in integrity and morals, self serving sociopathic or utterly incapable of understanding who he is.

Mumwantingtogetitright · 28/05/2022 12:22

JustTheOneSwan · 28/05/2022 11:17

It's pretty clear now (if you list Johnson's misdeeds it's blatant) that the MPs aren't going to get him out. Self serving to the maximum and as has been said BJ is rock star material for their individual majorities.
I'm all right Jack in action.

It's depressing, isn't it.

I wrote to my Tory MP about partygate to all if she considered Johnson to be fit for public office. She said that she would respond when the Sue Gray report was published. Wrote again when the Met Police launched their investigation into partygate. She said that she would respond when the Sue Gray report was published. Wrote again when Johnson was fined for rule breaking. She said that she would respond when the Sue Gray report was published. Wrote again when the Sue Gray report was published. She said.... nothing. She clearly has no intention of holding him to account. 🙄

In the meantime, she is tweeting enthusiastically about the wonderful support that is being offered to local residents as a result of the windfall tax on energy companies. The same tax that she voted against a week or so ago. I am not sure what has changed between now and then...other than the fact that the Sue Gray report has been published.

JustTheOneSwan · 28/05/2022 12:19

Mumwantingtogetitright · 28/05/2022 12:14

It is extremely concerning that this is happening, and what is even more concerning is that there isn't a huge outcry about it. Why isn't there more outrage about this?

The consequences of individualism laid bare in the news from America and still no one joining the dots.
This isn't the time for Britishness there should be outrage and he should be being hounded out.

Mumwantingtogetitright · 28/05/2022 12:14

It is extremely concerning that this is happening, and what is even more concerning is that there isn't a huge outcry about it. Why isn't there more outrage about this?

JustTheOneSwan · 28/05/2022 11:17

It's pretty clear now (if you list Johnson's misdeeds it's blatant) that the MPs aren't going to get him out. Self serving to the maximum and as has been said BJ is rock star material for their individual majorities.
I'm all right Jack in action.

Hawkins001 · 28/05/2022 11:16

GeidiPrimes · 28/05/2022 11:05

Not even bothering to pretend we live in a democracy, is he. At least it's now becoming apparent what a sham it all is.

That's because

NOUN
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives

So based on using the vote as and when, seems to be the way.

KonTikki · 28/05/2022 11:13

The problem with Johnson is that he drags everyone down to his level.
This is but the latest example.

GeidiPrimes · 28/05/2022 11:05

Not even bothering to pretend we live in a democracy, is he. At least it's now becoming apparent what a sham it all is.

TorringtonDean · 28/05/2022 11:02

Completely Animal Farm. The man is a pig. End of.

JustTheOneSwan · 28/05/2022 11:00

EcoEcoIA · 28/05/2022 10:51

Reminds me of the pigs in Animal Farm rewriting "Four legs good, two legs bad" to "Four legs good, two legs better"

Very apt.
Terrifyingly.

JustTheOneSwan · 28/05/2022 10:59

If his constituents petition can an election be forced?
I'd move there just to sign that.

HappydaysArehere · 28/05/2022 10:59

EcoEcoIA · 28/05/2022 10:51

Reminds me of the pigs in Animal Farm rewriting "Four legs good, two legs bad" to "Four legs good, two legs better"

Yes George Orwell got quite a few things right.

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Hawkins001 · 28/05/2022 10:58

HappydaysArehere · 28/05/2022 10:56

He uses the phrase “my ministers” not her Majesty’s Government or ministers. What else will he change before the next General Election? The government in power has the ability to choose the time of the election to some extent so what can this devious rascal think up to save his skin. I only hope “his ministers” stand up for democracy and show us they are not all tarred with the same brush.

NOUN
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives

Based on that interpretation, democracy will still stand, regardless.

Hawkins001 · 28/05/2022 10:57

balalake · 28/05/2022 10:55

Mr Johnson's idea of minor probably differs from most people. He probably thinks fathering children and trying to deny the existence of some is minor.

That's the thing with interpretation of words,

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