How is Sovereignity working out for you?

I didn’t vote for this shitshow and sadly everything I guessed would happen, has. I’m glad I have the right to a European passport so I can consider leaving at some point.

I'll be honest with you m8 that this sovereignty isn't really working for me. I've been told that I just need to believe in it but I don't think it suits my car. I preferred the old stuff you got out of the pumps.

Busy over here trying to figure out how to convert the car to run on sovereignty.

You buy it by making six figure donations to the Tory party I believe.

I haven't got a six or even 2 figure sum to donate. Brexiteers said I'd get increased sovereignty and that it would be a good thing for me and all UK citizens. So far all I've had is empty shelves, rising prices and threats to destroy peace. What am I doing wrong? Should I not be getting a crown or something to make my life and that of my children, better?

Suzysunflower
I do not know if you are desperate disingenuous or merely not very bright: the Labour government did NOT happen. Brexit happened and it is a shitshow. This is what we are discussing. Can you follow this and stay within the subject or shall I draw a little diagram for you?

How rude - I am staying within the subject;

rrhuth
The raising of wages sounds, superficially to those who do not understand economics, to be a positive thing.

But every economist on both left and right has explained, at length, why it will not make people better off.

But not these economists??

2019
Labour has received the firm backing of 163 prominent economists...

we need a serious attempt to raise wages and productivity. A higher minimum wage can help to do this...

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/general-election-labour-economy-spending-corbyn-boris-johnson-a9218041.html

@Clavinova I do not know if you are desperate disingenuous or merely not very bright: the Labour government did NOT happen. Brexit happened and it is a shitshow. This is what we are discussing. Can you follow this and stay within the subject or shall I draw a little diagram for you?

FourLaneEnds

I don't understand your question - I thought you were agreeing with rrhuth?

If you have to pay staff more to make goods, or transport goods, or work in shops selling goods - what happens to the price of the goods? They go up. Therefore everyone ends up poorer - as in able to buy less - in real terms.

[quote Clavinova]rrhuth
The raising of wages sounds, superficially to those who do not understand economics, to be a positive thing.
But every economist on both left and right has explained, at length, why it will not make people better off.

Labour's 2019 Election Manifesto was a pile of pants then?

Labour is now promising more and faster, with all workers over 16 years old getting £10 an hour within the next year.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50501411[/quote]
Why?
Workers can still earn more.

A period of wage inflation during the brexit Covid resection, gosh that sounds a laugh

rrhuth
The raising of wages sounds, superficially to those who do not understand economics, to be a positive thing.
But every economist on both left and right has explained, at length, why it will not make people better off.

Labour's 2019 Election Manifesto was a pile of pants then?

Labour is now promising more and faster, with all workers over 16 years old getting £10 an hour within the next year.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50501411

Thank you @rrhuth. I get so sick of trying to explain.

Economics - higher wages = higher costs, where else is the money going to come from?

I blame this shit government - poor education so that the masses don't understand economics.

Oh I love the deluded brexiters coming's en masse to defend their act of self-damage.

I will never forgive you and what you have done to the country.

There is a special place in hell waiting for you.

[quote FreshFreesias]@rrhuth Not quite true. HGV drivers and other exploited workers wages are increasing.
Don’t you think working people deserve a fair wage?[/quote]
You clearly do not understand economics at all.

I refer you to what I said before, try reading it slowly, maybe ask a friend or relative to help you with the complicated bits:

The raising of wages sounds, superficially to those who do not understand economics, to be a positive thing.

But every economist on both left and right has explained, at length, why it will not make people better off.

If you have to pay staff more to make goods, or transport goods, or work in shops selling goods - what happens to the price of the goods? They go up. Therefore everyone ends up poorer - as in able to buy less - in real terms.

It doesn't matter what the number of pounds you receive, it matters what you can buy for those pounds.

We are heading for inflation, not a wealthier population. In work poverty is going to get worse.

@Zeropointzero I don’t understand why you want Scotland to rejoin the EU, thereby losing its independence and freedom to make decisions that benefit Scotland.

The majority of us in Scotland didn't have a problem with being in the EU before, and we would still prefer to be in it than not.

Many of the EU 'decisions' did benefit Scotland, and as we can clearly see now, the decisions made by WM most certainly do not.

Independence from the UK ASAP, then back in the EU ASAP and we'll try to forget brexit ever happened.

But it’s funny how snobbish Remoaners don’t like the terrible reality of paying their cleaners and other low paid workers more. This is bollocks. The point is the higher wages borne of staff shortages, will not benefit anyone due to inflationary pressures. Every pound will buy less.

It was leavers who voted for increased poverty. If you still can't understand the economics of Brexit, that is your problem.

@rrhuth Not quite true. HGV drivers and other exploited workers wages are increasing.
Don’t you think working people deserve a fair wage?

@Zeropointzero I don’t understand why you want Scotland to rejoin the EU, thereby losing its independence and freedom to make decisions that benefit Scotland.
Mind you, Wee Jimmy is making such a hash of things, I guess the EU couldn’t do much worse.
Maybe it’s time that corporations started paying workers a decent wage, rather than exploiting foreign labour.
But it’s funny how snobbish Remoaners don’t like the terrible reality of paying their cleaners and other low paid workers more.
“Who will make my coffee in Pret”, etc, etc.

This video clip from last night's Newsnight covering immigration, productivity, investment and wages is very good: twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1445869220751937538

In the Brexit debate remainers failed to communicate the economic realities of leaving the EU. Sadly we are now going to have to live through them, and we will all be poorer.

As for your abuse of Leave voters, grow up or emigrate

Not quite as easy now since FOM has ended.

I haven't got any sovereignty that I know of. Do you get it automatically or do you have to apply for it?

If you have to pay staff more to make goods, or transport goods, or work in shops selling goods - what happens to the price of the goods? They go up. Therefore everyone ends up poorer - as in able to buy less - in real terms.

This a million times over. I'm rubbish at economics but this is just so blindingly obvious. I just don't understand why people thought they'd be better off.

Well we've properly taken back control haven't we ....

But every economist on both left and right has explained, at length, why it will not make people better off.

If you have to pay staff more to make goods, or transport goods, or work in shops selling goods - what happens to the price of the goods? They go up. Therefore everyone ends up poorer - as in able to buy less - in real terms.

It doesn't matter what the number of pounds you receive, it matters what you can buy for those pounds.

We are heading for inflation, not a wealthier population. In work poverty is going to get worse.

Try not to believe the bullshit this government is telling you.