How is Sovereignity working out for you?

these things, sorry

@LeuvenMan this things are so self-destructive and stupid.

Those who voted for Brexit, voted to make Britain poorer. So many thanks for doing that to the rest of us.

This has only just begun......
CE Marks are to be replaced with the new CA Mark for goods sold in England
This will cause a lot of time and expense
How many global manufacturers are going to bother, and instead just not supply UK because it's no longer profitable?
www.trade.gov/market-intelligence/uk-announces-conformity-mark-replacing-ce-mark

[quote FreshFreesias]@rrhuth Thank you for your patronising, snobbish gibberish but it is quite clear you do not know any HGV drivers and seem incapable of understanding that British people simply cannot afford to work at rates of as low as £6 an hour.
It’s reprehensible that you think it is acceptable that these kind of essential jobs should be so poorly paid.[/quote]
@FreshFreesias I know some HGV drivers, yes.

Resorting to rude insults won't change the economic realities of Brexit, and how it will make us all less well off.

Either you don't understand the economic explanations, or you won't even read them. Which is your right of course, but what is the point of arguing so hard from a place of a) ignorance or b) obstinate refusal to engage?

You are completely wrong to characterise me as accepting of low pay. But Brexit will not raise living standards which is what matters. The British people will be poorer.

So back at you!

Do you think most voters believed what the economic impact of Brexit would be on us all? I don't, and I think the remain campaign was weak.

Have we forgotten Boris' Bus of honest politicking..

How is that going for the NHS these days?

Funny that this benefit of Brexit that the U.K. will become a high wage economy has only been talked about in the last fortnight or so when shortages are beginning to bite as if this had been part of the plan. (Yes I know there never was a plan and they’ve been making it up as they go along). Are all the nurses, carers and other in short supply going to enjoy these high wages too? Or would they be better off going to work in Aldi?

I am amazed that any self respecting person would confess to be pro-BrexShit.

Watching it all coming to fruition from afar - a trainwreck in motion. Much of the momentum DIRECTLY attributable to brexit. Yet we still have nationalist right wing twits proclaiming BREXIT was bloody marvellous.

Christ on a bike. What will it take for people to understand that they were hoodwinked/lied to/fed a shovel full of bullshit. It was all lies.

What you want is wages to increase through productivity. This makes everyone richer because wage increases do not automatically translate into higher inflation so people get paid more but things cost the same.

Wages being raised through labour supply shortages automatically mean prices will go up. The impact will be disproportionate. In a few sectors e.g hgv drivers wage increases might outbase inflation but in the majority of low paid sectors, people will be poorer as wages will increase at a lower rate than inflation.

Higher inflation will also mean the boe raising interest rates which will increase the cost of housing. It will also increase the costs of the public sector through higher supply chain costs which will either necessitate an increase in taxes or further cuts to services.

One of the unfortunate impacts of brexit is lower productivity through an increase in bureaucracy and the costs of trading. This will make us all poorer.

The raising of wages sounds, superficially to those who do not understand economics, to be a positive thing.

But every economist on both left and right has explained, at length, why it will not make people better off.

I am not economise, but I think it is more nuanced that that. Surely, a gradual increase in wages, across all sectors is a good thing. Although it will contribute to inflation. But don't we need a small rate of inflation anyway to compete globally?

It is the rapid rise in wages in only a few sectors that is really damaging. Everyone else gets less spending power from their stagnation wakes.

Now the government is trying to pass off a desperate fix of boosting hgv drivers as a wage increase for everyone. After voting down a proper an increase for nurses. And telling business to sort it themselves, but claiming this as their doing.

I love sovereignty 🥰 and it's working out for me. Thanks for asking. 🙂

I voted remain but I think the remain campaign was terrible. People saying the remain campaign communicated well, where did they do that? In the guardian? Because if, for example, you were watching the tv debates they were awful. Obviously ideally people should have researched extensively but that was never going to happen which is why the vote in the first place was stupid. I tried to learn as much as possible but I learnt a lot about the EU after the vote. Also I don’t remember any of the leave politicians promoting a hard brexit. Even Nigel Farage used to go on about how great Norway’s position was.

The main attention should be on the politicians who should have known better.

In the Brexit debate remainers failed to communicate the economic realities of leaving the EU. Sadly we are now going to have to live through them, and we will all be poorer.

Ya wha @rrhuth? Remainers shouted the economic realities. Repeatedly. Twas called Project Fear. UK citizens still are shouting about the economic and political realities because Brexit isn't half over yet.

Own the mess you voted for.

Besides, it's all Jeremy Corbyn's fault.

Are there any other people who think we have been fed the biggest lie in regards to sovereignity of Britain.

Yes, but then I thought that all along.

@rrhuth Thank you for your patronising, snobbish gibberish but it is quite clear you do not know any HGV drivers and seem incapable of understanding that British people simply cannot afford to work at rates of as low as £6 an hour.
It’s reprehensible that you think it is acceptable that these kind of essential jobs should be so poorly paid.

As a Brit in the EU for 17 years, I have particularly enjoyed the extra paperwork and 200km round trip to get official residency; the removal of my freedom of movement, which also puts my medical treatment in another country in jeopardy; the uncertainty for six months over whether I would have to take a driving test in my country of residence (due to lack of reciprocal agreement); difficulty in renting a car and driving it to the U.K.; not being allowed to vote in local elections in my country of residence; and not being able to buy from U.K. retailers (because many have stopped shipping to the EU due to import complications), or, if I can buy from them, often paying VAT twice and import duty on top. The final straw? DH is going to the U.K. and won't be able to bring back Wensleydale Cheese I wish the corrupt government and the voters who fell for the lies a suitable punishment to be decided by Remainers and disenfranchised Brits in the EU (many of whom did not get a vote at all).

Nursing, medicine, teaching too. We had/have many in these roles from Europe.

Do we have a shortage of people to fill job vacancies?
Or
Do we have a shortage of people willing to fill vacancies

We have a shortage of people to fill job vacancies. It's not that people think haulage, meat processing, veterinary science is below them. These are skilled jobs, not easily filled.

Labour shortages are complex, you need the right jobs to match the right people, it takes time and planning and investment.

We could have done the planning and investment in the UK, and made our economy stronger and made people's lives better, but now with Brexit we have no time to do it, we have driven our economy into a wall.

It puzzles me that the rhetoric was 'send them back, they take our jobs' yet we now have the vacancies but seemingly no one to fill them.

Yes, well, that rhetoric was a lie. The entire leave campaign was lies.

Look at Germany - economically stronger, higher wages, higher productivity, plenty of immigration.

Immigrants help your economy grow, as they earn money and spend it, which creates more work.

Brexit = shrinking our economy.

Do we have a shortage of people to fill job vacancies?
Or
Do we have a shortage of people willing to fill vacancies , or maybe unwilling to work in some occupations (jobs with unsocial hours for instance).

It puzzles me that the rhetoric was 'send them back, they take our jobs' yet we now have the vacancies but seemingly no one to fill them.

Increasing minimum wage in a planned way is not the same situation as this chaos of labour shortages. All the parties are signed up to gradual increase of minimum wage.

There are real problems of labour shortages as they prevent businesses from growing.

I was hoping to drive to the sunlit uplands this weekend. I heard they had shelves full of groceries.

There was never any sunlit uplands or extra money for the NHS. There was just the targeting and exploitation of people's fears and annoyances to manipulate a Leave vote that would damage the UK in nearly every way.