How is Sovereignity working out for you?

@rrhuth
"I did not vote Brexit but it's happened and now I'm looking forward to positives to come out of it." Weird perspective, you will wait a very long time I think.

I reckon there's two ways to deal with Brexit which is here to stay. My way which is to accept it, try to make the best of it, look forward to the positives that will inevitably come and not keep dwelling on the negatives, which are also inevitable. Or your way which is to go on and on and on about how dreadful everything is and will be, and the UK will be dire because as a country and a people we're too pathetic to survive outside the EU; boring all around you with your obsession and misery.I think my way's better for my mental health and friendships, but if you think it's weird to try to look for positives in life, you just carry on with your depressive thoughts and manners.

[quote Zeropointzero]@PersphoneJames.your german is very good.I made an effort to learn to speak and write english when I came to this country.If people here on this forum would be honest,they would know exactly what I mean with some british people behaving very arrogantly when abroad.My comment upset some people and if you bother to read the thread,you would understand why I was upset when my grammar was critized.
And to all those who critized me: How often have you corrected someone's grammar on their thread?[/quote]
I'm sure that if people had known that English was not your first language, then they wouldn't have criticised your grammar.

@Zeropointzero danke schon! I did A level but a long time ago, and Germans are just so good at English it is hard to get enough practice It is brave to post on a forum in another language, of course we are exceptionally lucky having a lingua franca as our mother tongue, but it does mean we miss out on all of the benefits that learning a foreign language (in such detail) brings.

I don't like cultural stereotyping though. And having lived in Benidorm and Altea, people surprise you. A lot of the Altea based, slightly snobby "oh God not benidorm" folk were the Brexit voters, and the what-you-expect-from-Benidorm folk were often remainers!

I find it odd when Brexiters think Remainers are the wealthy elites as in my experience it has been the opposite.

I didn’t vote for brexit but find the fish and chip jibes off.

Same as everyone is thick etc you sometimes get.

Brexit😒

‘Nuff said.

Big pile of bollocks.

People of all nationalities can behave like arrogant idiots when not in their own country. That doesn't give me the right to make outdated cultural jibes about, for example, Germans and sun lounger-bagging just because a poster disagrees with me.

Cultural stereotyping is horrible.

That should read worse for the environment and for animals

I did not vote Brexit but it's happened and now I'm looking forward to positives to come out of it. Weird perspective, you will wait a very long time I think.

We will replace the UK meat production with imports from the USA etc with lower welfare standards, owrse for the enovironmenta dn for animals.

Today's good news stories directly related to Brexit - and more particularly the type of Brexit deliberately chosen by the Tory government - are shortages of nurses and medical equipment.

@FreshFreesias one of your reasons for voting Brexit was animal rights issues. I'm interested as one fo the reasons I voted remain was animal rights reasons!

Whilst I dislike the live animal trade practice you mentioned, I recognised that the EU has the highest animal welfare standards in the world (yes not good, but least bad) and I am massively concerned that Brexit means the import of meat raised in lower welfare standards (like America).

I worry that the tory government (fox hunting, Boris scoffing at the dead pigs just last week, and in 2017 they repealed animal welfare codes, arguing that animals cannot feel pain!!) won't have the political will to prioritise animal rights.

So what makes you confident that they will stop live animal transport? I really don't think they will, and furthermore I think those animals (who haven't been culled and wasted) will suffer hugely in the longer queues in lorries waiting to cross to the continent.

[quote Zeropointzero]@Blacksax.Meine Eltern sind beide Deutsch,sind im 2. Weltkrieg in die Schweiz geflüchtet und ich bin Doppelbürgerin Schweiz/Deutsch.Ich finde es eigenartig,dass mein grammatischer Fehler kritisiert wird,besonders als fast jeder Artikel den ich ich hier lese einen grammatischen Fehler enthält.Ich kann deshalb nur annehmen,dass mein anti Brexit artikel eben einige Leute ärgert.Ich glaube halt, die Britten haben wirklich kein Recht, andere zu kritisieren,in bezug auf Sprache.[/quote]
I agree. I did not vote Brexit and as a Scot my country as a whole voted to remain as part of the EU. Hopefully one day we will be able to rejoin the EU.

Ich liebe Deutsch, aber ich habe viele vergessen! Ich habe viele vergessen.. Just wanted to identify as a Fish and Chip eating Brit who understands and supports replying to a direct question in the language it was asked in!

Sorry OP, but some of us fish&chip eaters do actually understand your last post. It wasn't so much the grammar but your cultural snobbery that was getting people's backs up. IMO it's also linguistic snobbery to post at length in a FL on an English forum without saying why you're doing it.

[quote Zeropointzero]@blacksax.spelling mistake it is RheinThe word Bratwurst you got right,probably because it is used in the english language too.poor attempt to wanting to show,you know 2 words in german.the german heritage must be far far back in history[/quote]
Not so far back. My maternal grandmother and other relatives in London changed their surname during the war to something that sounded less German so as to try and avoid persecution - not altogether successfully. Some of the wider family never changed it back again afterwards. My maternal grandfather had no such issues, as his surname had Portuguese roots.

When it comes to spelling, yes, the Germans spell Rhine as Rhein, however when one is in the UK the spelling commonly used is Rhine.

Woher kommen deine vorfahren?

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@pokhora,

So how have investment bankers increased productivity by many hundreds of percent in the last 30 years (despite the shareholders not profiting at all)?

The same argument could be made for many areas.

Ultimately we have increased productivity (although not that much) by actually continuously paying less and less in real terms to our semiskilled and unskilled labour.

I do agree with you about some kind of universal income, though. It is just that many ‘skilled’ people believe that endless discussion in TEAMS meetings cannot be automated-they can.[/quote]
I do know why, but when I read that I like the thought that investment bankers are unskilled, they probably don't think they are though.

[quote Zeropointzero]@debwong.you are a typical brexit voter:ignorant and xenophobic.it never occurs to you,that for some people here on MN,english is not their mother language.you are most likely one of those Brits who order fish&chips in spain and expect spanish people to speak english.[/quote]
Wow, OP. That comment sounded completely unhinged.

Is it just Brits, or are all nationalities reviled for ordering fish&chips in Spain? Do they have food police and are they really fierce? (Just in case I ever go).

I did not vote Brexit but it's happened and now I'm looking forward to positives to come out of it.

Actually I agree with that.
The death of the UK fishing industry and livestock farming would be a Brexit positive imo. Good for animal welfare and the environment.

As a vegetarian I'm sad but I don't suppose we'll get rid of the meat trade in the near future. However, the whole process has to be humane. We should be moving to mobile abattoirs that come to the farm to cause as little trauma as possible. One thing I'm hopeful about is that Carrie Johnson is a big animal welfare activist so I really hope she presses the govt to carry through with their promise to stop live animal transportation. I did not vote Brexit but it's happened and now I'm looking forward to positives to come out of it.

@Zeropointzero Why are you making dietary assumptions about Brexit voters?
Horrible, grubby, working class Brexit voters eat fish and chips!
How dreadfully plebeian of them!
Trouble is, the fish stocks are crashing due to those lovely, civilised EU super trawlers, scraping the sea bed and destroying marine life.
But let’s gloss over this kind of ecological disaster as it doesn’t suit the globalist corporate narrative.

[quote Zeropointzero]@debwong.you are a typical brexit voter:ignorant and xenophobic.it never occurs to you,that for some people here on MN,english is not their mother language.you are most likely one of those Brits who order fish&chips in spain and expect spanish people to speak english.[/quote]
You know nothing about me, and your intemperate posts show that you are the xenophobe here.

@madisonbridges I quite agree. I’m staggered people are eating pigs in this day and age. From a pigs point of view, perhaps better being shot/slaughtered on the farm instead of being shoved on a truck for days before suffering a hideous end.
One of the reasons I am a Brexiteer is to end the live transport of animals from the UK to around the world. The EU forbade this under the Treaty of Rome as they classed animals as goods, which must be traded freely.
Such a vile trade.

Debwong: True, only we can't vote them out because of fptp and people not doing anything about it.

Was it Marilyn Monroe who said sometimes things have to fall apart before other things can fall together.