Boris' conference talk

Also, you do know we are all liars? All of us?

Given the prime minister is er, the prime minister, his behaviour needs to be held to a different standard than Dave down the pub.

This video gives some more information about Johnson’s lies:

But I just enjoyed the speech.

Thought it was funny, yes, there are worse things to be. British people do tend to take the piss - its always been part of our culture. I know the level of seriousness you display seems to be some form of assessing your morality these days, but I for one am a bit bored of having to be serious all the time.

Boris is taking the piss for sure.
The engaging comic buffoon is his act. Hè has honed the persona over the years specifically to deceive people like you. It works.

@FinallyHere Yes - that Hopkins woman, and Peirs Morgan have based their careers on a similar observation!

Seems to me nowadays that the people inadvertently voted for Project Fear. I’m not at all convinced that what is happening at this point bears any resemblance to the ‘Brexit’ people voted for other than having the same letters in the same order.
It is possible to evaluate pandemic response by comparing outcomes between countries. Or even just using memory- consider all the u-turns, contradictions, lies, corruption, hypocrisy, neglect of the vulnerable. Obviously, memory can be selective to a degree and cognitive dissonance isn’t exactly rare- but I think the people of this country would have to work hard to shut down recall of so many catastrophic decisions made.

@Northernshepherd How about an exam, where people have to answer in depth fact-checked questions about current issues and they have to get a minimum score?
If they get their info from SM, DM, or their mate down the pub, they may fail so lose the right to vote ? :)

Also, a political attitudes app, which matches people to a party/candidate/manifesto, might be interesting.

optimism and vision is somewhat engaging?

But once you have experienced his dodgy relationship with the truth, what is the point of listening to him ever ? He literally says whatever he thinks people want to hear. He lies routinely.

The things people remember about speeches are if they made them laugh

In his early days, as a correspondent in Brussels he quickly spotted that factual articles were relegated to a few lines on an inside page while outrageous lies would get him the front page, people thinking good old Boris.

I'm genuinely sorry that people are still taken in by this. What future can you imagine if everyone uses an easy lie instead of the honest truth.

[quote Hiphopopotamus]@hamstersarse and the depressing thing is that people like you get a vote. Have some bloody standards for dicks sake and expect more of the people we put in these positions of immense power. I can direct you to some comedy clubs if you want a laugh. Join Tinder if you want someone to go for a pint with. And then vote for someone who is compassionate enough and qualified enough to hold the lives of millions in their hands.[/quote]
Who would you wish to take the vote away from? Just the op, all Tory voters? People who disagree with you? People who make decisions based on things you find frivolous?

Those saying that the speech was only aimed at the faithful etc

That’s kind of the point at a party conference

@hamstersarse I didn't say that you were a right thicko :)
I'm sure you're really not at all, and are an optimistic glass-half-full person, which is a great way to be - but after what this joker has unleashed on this country and everyone in it, and his attitude towards any sort of culpability or responsibility, I find it a bit trite to wax lyrical about the PMs little chat.
It's meaningless, and he needs to be rather more substantial than a few minutes 'entertainment'. But that's the problem.

Oh yes, that old line - if you don't find Johnson hilarious you are a joyless individual, and also not really British, because the true British like to take the piss.

I think everyone acknowledges he appeals to a certain type of person, no one doubts that many find him amusing.

It is possible to be angry with the PM for those who died due to mismanagement of the pandemic response; the treatment of the poor and vulnerable; the consequences of Brexit for us and future generations; the blatant lying. He is, after, responsible for the running of this country. Attributing this response to some nonsense about ‘Jungian psychology’ is a bit embarrassing, I feel- a sort of pseudo-intellectual attempt to suggest those angry lack self-knowledge. It is possible for anger to be motivated by care and compassion for others even when there is no immediate impact on oneself. It’s fairly possible to support that argument through further reading of Jung- or pretty much anybody to the left of Satan who has written anything about human motivation.

@hamstersarse Dear God. Do you not get that his speeches are written to try and spin just enough to keep the gullible faithful on board? You were supposed to be 'engaged', and you fell for it.

Plenty of people not 'on the left' by any stretch are very much not engaged, impressed, or remotely taken in by his very cheap empty word salad.

[quote hamstersarse]I can't understand how people get so wound up over Boris. Like fuming level wound up.

I don't feel that about Kier Starmer. I just think...bland. Feel nothing.

What is it about him that really riles people up so much?

Jungian psychology would say it is an encounter with your own shadow. highexistence.com/carl-jung-shadow-guide-unconscious/[/quote]
Because he is quite literally taking the piss out of us.

He is elected to lead the country and so far he has lined the pockets of his chums, presided over one of the worst covid death rates in the world and has absolutely no plan going forward. When asked about any of these he blusters, lies, blames others or hides.

These are the actions of a man who is enjoying the ride but couldn't give a shit about the results of his actions. Results that the UK will be picking up the pieces of long after BJ has moved on to his next jolly.

I can't understand how people think this is OK because he can waffle a bit of empty positivity.

Oh bless, at the very least they need to be able to appoint a competent cabinet. But he can't manage that, can he?

You're clearly a fan, how lovely for you, but Johnson should have stayed in the circle where his particular skill set (laziness and incompetence with the odd amusing remark thrown in) did least damage. As a newspaper columnist.

When you say 'capable of doing the job', do you think Boris does everything?

Look at the team he has put around him. A bunch of lightweight, useless yes men.

I am enjoying your nonsense thread @hamstersarse

What do you want from a PM then, just a sort of jolly jester alongside the Queen? I suppose that is one model. Johnson is a bit like that, as he achieves very little but keeps the masses amused?