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Boris' conference talk

165 replies

hamstersarse · 06/10/2021 11:59

Whatever you think of him, I can't help but think his optimism and vision is somewhat engaging?

OP posts:
MrsSkylerWhite · 07/10/2021 09:39

Sonex

More importantly, who the fuck cuts hair?“

Interesting how well presented he was when he met Biden. The hair is a physical representation of the blindingly obvious, to all but gullible idiots, part of the contrived “ha ha, look at what a bumbling idiot I am, even forget to brush my hair”’act.

Like Milton Jones. The comedian.

HalfwomanHalfcookie · 07/10/2021 08:26

Many people will have a depressing winter full of anxiety. It's OK though because the Prime Minister's speech made the OP smile.

rrhuth · 07/10/2021 06:57

[quote hamstersarse]@FinallyHere

I am saying that people don’t want to get involved in a grey argument. They want black and white. Yes or no. Said I’ll do it, but actually things have changed and I can’t is apparently lying in today’s climate. People do this in all sorts of situations, not just with Boris.

One thing constantly repeated about Boris is he’s racist. I think that comes from the ‘letterbox’ article?
That baffles me…he was arguing that making women cover up is not acceptable (I.e. when not by choice) . I guess if you support the Taliban, you would take offence to that, but most people wouldn’t support the enforcement of face coverings for women, even if that means criticising that particular branch of Islam.[/quote]
You either know very little about Johnson's back catalogue, or maybe this is faux naivety in a deliberate attempt to downplay this type of racism which you support?

That article was one amongst other pieces cited as evidence of racism. He makes racist remarks.

Oldmrswasherwoman · 07/10/2021 06:50

He's a massive chancer.

If Germany or France voted in someone similar we'd find them a laughing stock.

BettyFilous · 07/10/2021 00:38

I wanted a serious prime minister for serious times. Not the class clown.

^ This.

Fifteentoes · 07/10/2021 00:29

@Franklin12

I am listening to Starmer on Peston. Honestly he really isn’t going to do anything to dent the Tory lead. He keeps calling Boris a showman but clearly it goes down well with voters.

Come on Labour. You sound like depressing prigs lost in your own woke agenda. The UK needs a strong Opposition.

Sorry to burst your bubble but it ain't gonna get one.
Fifteentoes · 07/10/2021 00:25

@Burnshersmurfs

I’m a single parent too- and was also on benefits for a period. I am so, so grateful to the system at the time that welcomed and supported me and gave me the chance to get back on my feet when I was vulnerable and scared. I feel- with quite a sense of certainty- that the majority of people on benefits are just like me- many of them working, a few of them needing that care and support more intensively and for longer than I did. I am so sad that this country has moved away from the compassion and understanding that once was shown to me. At that time, I was so proud of us and valued it so much. I have done well since then and know I owe a lot of that to the support I got when it was needed. Had I been ground down by the stress of poverty, constantly worried about how to manage and aware of the contempt this country now seems to feel for people like me, I doubt that success would have happened. As we are back to motivation again- punishment is way less effective than gratitude.
Wow. It's almost like you're an actual human with a brain and a functioning sense of empathy.
Franklin12 · 06/10/2021 23:06

I am listening to Starmer on Peston. Honestly he really isn’t going to do anything to dent the Tory lead. He keeps calling Boris a showman but clearly it goes down well with voters.

Come on Labour. You sound like depressing prigs lost in your own woke agenda. The UK needs a strong Opposition.

FinallyHere · 06/10/2021 20:34

Said I’ll do it, but actually things have changed and I can’t is apparently lying in today’s climate

Let me see if I understand you correctly.

You think our Prime Minister should be free to sign international agreements with no intention of sticking to the provisions he has signed up to?

Closer to home, you are happy that as ultimate arbitrator of the truth on the House of Commons, there is now no sanction for telling lies in the House?

That so long as he can sound upbeat and cheerful, invoke a few 'never since Tudor times' and throw a few ideas around, the people who voted to put him in power should be content ?

Crikey.

Can you honestly see no issue with this way of going about the business of governing the country.

I hope you are just a bot snd not a sentient being.

hamstersarse · 06/10/2021 20:10

@FinallyHere

I am saying that people don’t want to get involved in a grey argument. They want black and white. Yes or no. Said I’ll do it, but actually things have changed and I can’t is apparently lying in today’s climate. People do this in all sorts of situations, not just with Boris.

One thing constantly repeated about Boris is he’s racist. I think that comes from the ‘letterbox’ article?
That baffles me…he was arguing that making women cover up is not acceptable (I.e. when not by choice) . I guess if you support the Taliban, you would take offence to that, but most people wouldn’t support the enforcement of face coverings for women, even if that means criticising that particular branch of Islam.

OP posts:
FinallyHere · 06/10/2021 19:45
  • Journalist: " Why are you avoiding the question..yes or no can you provide an absolute guarantee?"

You see where it goes.*

Are you really saying you accept he has to lie because the truth is unpalatable?

Honestly? @hamstersarse

The question of the British border in Ireland is not a complicated, well it depends on what you mean kind of situation. The provisions were set out in the endlessly negotiated, internationally ratified Good Friday / Belfast agreement.

The PM lied about the situation he had agreed when he said there will be no documentation required because he was talking to Unionist politicians in NI whose purpose in life is to be an integral part of the UK. They did not want any documentation to be required.

Johnson had travelled there to speak with them straight from signing the Agreement which 'Got Brexit done' by agreeing to there being documentation necessary for trade between GB and NI.

What is the point of listening go to a PM who just lies when the truth is uncomfortable? Or is the point that people give up and let them give away contracts for millions, even billions with no provisions to ensure any kind of value for money ?

Tinpotspectator · 06/10/2021 19:34

His address was condemned as “bombastic but vacuous and economically illiterate” by the free market Adam Smith Institute, while the Conservative thinktank Bright Blue issued a stark warning.
“The public will soon tire of Boris’s banter if the government does not get a grip of mounting crises: price rises, tax rises, fuel shortages, labour shortages. There was nothing new in this speech, no inspiring new vision or policy,” its chief executive, Ryan Shorthouse, said.

Guardian, today.

jgw1 · 06/10/2021 18:58

@hamstersarse I must thank you for this thread and the entertainment and hilarity you have provided with each of your posts. I need something to cheer me up after the utterly lack of anything in the Prime Minister's speech today. Thank you again, most kind.

jgw1 · 06/10/2021 18:54

[quote hamstersarse]@BananaPB

Much of the civil service / public sector needs a rocket up it's arse. The inefficiency has got beyond a joke - that is something I agreed with Dominic Cummings on.

I do not support the unlimited funding argument for the public sector that comes from the left. " We just need more money" . That may be true in some areas but it is not everywhere, yet it is the universal cry when performance is bad.[/quote]
The interesting thing is that the more the private sector get involved in public services the even less efficient the public services become.
See for example the difference between the vaccine roll out and track and trace.
There is probably a strong correlation between the number of "consultants" on a project and its inefficieny.

whymewhyme · 06/10/2021 18:48

All he does is smirk and bullshit, nothing optimistic or engaging about that despicable creature

rrhuth · 06/10/2021 18:41

His speech was panned from both left AND right. Mostly importantly all business groups thought it was shit and we are going to see inflation issues soon.

DoubleTweenQueen · 06/10/2021 18:30

Never got the hang of the strikethrough :)

DoubleTweenQueen · 06/10/2021 18:29

For fans of BJ’s -word- -salad- speech:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/58818531?fbclid=IwAR0Eu-EadKqUPo-9J3BvsCEoG6T08wGGkpilvUb1bRQEm0-8QSIMUnonng8

jgw1 · 06/10/2021 18:06

@hamstersarse

Whatever you think of him, I can't help but think his optimism and vision is somewhat engaging?
Did he say where all that money he promised on the side of that bus for the NHS had gone? Or was that just a vision and optimism?

You know what I would prefer truth and realism.

MissyB1 · 06/10/2021 17:59

OP you are living proof of why I believe that all voters should have to take an IQ test before being allowed anywhere near a ballot box. You simply don’t show the required level of intelligence.

Andante57 · 06/10/2021 17:51

Hiphopopotamus
hamstersarsemand the depressing thing is that people like you get a vote

So Hiphopopotamus you think anyone who votes Tory shouldn’t be allowed to vote?
Very democratic!

yellowspanner · 06/10/2021 17:37

Well, I enjoyed his speech. Positive and optimistic. Well done Boris

Tinpotspectator · 06/10/2021 17:29

Boris Johnson:

Mini Trump

Bannon disciple

"What people want is...." bullshit (ie. what Boris wants)

Invader of social media under a cloak of invisibility

Self aggrandising

Liar

Cheat (in all directions)

Gaslighter extraordinaire