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I can't get my head around Israel and Palestine

35 replies

rumred · 14/05/2021 17:53

I've read some non partisan stuff and I still don't understand.
Some friends are very vociferous about it and I feel like I should have a stance.
Can anyone explain it in lay woman's terms?

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Bobbiepin · 26/05/2021 03:46

Everyone forgets to look at the history of the land before Palestine. It hasn't been Palestine since the dawn of time, and earliest records show the land was initially Judea before the Israelites were ethnically cleansed out of the land and into diaspora.

It's not taking land off the Palestinians, it's reclaiming their homeland.

MsAmerica · 26/05/2021 03:23

@UmmMaryam2019

It's simple.

It was all Palestine. Till the Jews decided they need a land of there own. With the help of the British they were given rights to settle in Palestine and call it there own - Israel. Over the past few decades Jews have 'settled' in more and more of Palestine and claimed it as Israel to the point USA and many other countries refuse to recognise Palestine as a state anymore.

It's basically how most lands were taken off natives. E.g. native Americans

As usually the natives are vilified regardless of being pushed out of their homeland.

Oh and they believe this is there God given land therefore are taking it by force in accordance to their religious teachings.

They forget how Jerusalem is important to Christians and Muslims as well as Jews.

I'm not sure, but I don't think Palestine has been recognized as a state since 1948. That's when Palestinians should have done something, instead of waiting around for a half-century. Jews didn't suddenly decide that they needed a land of their own. It had been shared, and then after the WWII genocide, they were given the land. But you're right in your implication that Jews probably felt they needed a land of their own, since there are already many countries for Muslims.

And I don't think that Israel "forgets" how important Jerusalem is to Christians and Muslims. They just object to people being overly aggressive about it, just as the British would try to be if Italy suddenly tried to grab England and claim it belonged to them from 2000 years ago.

rumred · 24/05/2021 12:16

Thanks for the helpful messages/thoughts.
@nancywhitehead that's a good summary I think.

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andrewscottmaybe · 24/05/2021 06:37

".....It's basically how most lands were taken off natives.......the natives are vilified ( despite ) being pushed out (off) of their land...." As @UmmMaryam2019 says.

Like Northern Ireland.

UmmMaryam2019 · 24/05/2021 06:24

It's simple.

It was all Palestine. Till the Jews decided they need a land of there own. With the help of the British they were given rights to settle in Palestine and call it there own - Israel. Over the past few decades Jews have 'settled' in more and more of Palestine and claimed it as Israel to the point USA and many other countries refuse to recognise Palestine as a state anymore.

It's basically how most lands were taken off natives. E.g. native Americans

As usually the natives are vilified regardless of being pushed out of their homeland.

Oh and they believe this is there God given land therefore are taking it by force in accordance to their religious teachings.

They forget how Jerusalem is important to Christians and Muslims as well as Jews.

Covetthee · 24/05/2021 06:02

Well its definitely not as MsAmerica suggests! Talk about a biased view

There is another thread on this with unbiased views from both sides, unless MN have decided to delete that like all other threads on this topic

nancywhitehead · 24/05/2021 05:56

This is basic but quite useful if you don't know much.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-44124396

There are lots of good articles out there, just read around a bit. I would recommend finding your own stuff from reliable websites than asking on a forum where you have no idea how biased people might be.

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/05/2021 03:48

Rather than making a life elsewhere, or persuading other Arab countries to give them a home

I've lived in three countries by choice and cannot imagine the sadness and anger if I was forced out of my country into exile and refugee status. No citizenship in the new country BTW. Would you be super fine with being forced out of your country to be a refugee?

My summary of the situation... no one is right, no one is wrong. Stupid men think you can solve difficult problems with bombs and guns. The Palestinians have fewer of them so they die in droves.

NiceGerbil · 24/05/2021 02:56

Try wiki?

Dunno.

It's a lot of history and context and all sorts. Complicated.

I think reading is all you can do

MsAmerica · 24/05/2021 00:27

I don't think any single person can explain it, certainly not in this small online space.

My personal view is that Israel is a lone island with some semblance of democracy surrounded by countries so hostile that they'd like to wipe Israel off the map entirely. Naturally, this has made Israel very military-minded over the decades. Israel periodically launches attacks trying to target terrorists, and Palestinians attack at random, often civilians. Palestinians, who are generally so held in contempt by other Arab countries that they won't take them in, abetted in the past with attacks on Israel, ran when Israel was attacked, but still think Israel should give them back their homes. Rather than making a life elsewhere, or persuading other Arab countries to give them a home, they periodically attack Israel, come out on the worse end of the deal, and then blame Israel for it. As far as I know, they continue to teach their schoolchildren to vilify Israelis and to glorify suicide bombers.

This is subjective, of course, and I'm sure others will disagree.

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