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The liberal media constantly slating Britain.

70 replies

askthedust · 12/11/2020 16:08

I've never felt like this before. But over the past few months its become obvious, at least to my tiny brain, that the mainstream British media is trying to send the British public down a rabbit-hole of self-loathing.

England gave the world The Beatles, The Stones, Kinks; a universal language the world uses to this day. I fear we're sinking down a liberal sinkhole of self-loathing perpetrated by an over-educated liberal middle-class whose only interest is their own wealth. It's our history that makes true British people go out on their shield.

It's our history that makes true British people go out on their shield. There is no reason to be shamed about our history.

Remember when England produced hope and talent? England gave the world: The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, a universal language the world uses still to this day. I am fearing it's all going down a liberal sinkhole of self-loathing. It's our history that makes all Brits want to go out on their shield, not give-up and wave white flag. Okay, we made mistake. As an Englishman, I truly apologize. But we have to move on and learn. I think we have.

Even I can see now that those that pervade the British media have no interest in Britain. I've always been neutral and I suppose as one gets older and matures into a fully grown adult one becomes more conservative. But the constant slating of Britain, it's colonial history, etc. etc. It's really getting to me now.

I don't think it's embarrassing to be proud of being English without being labelled a racist or fascist. I think it's good to be English (British). I always laughed to myself when I filled-out my USA immigration form on the plane, not being sure if I am from England, or the UK. Who gives a toss? It's all the same thing. As a Union we are strong.

England, Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland. All the political egos at work need to reign-in their self-absorbed personal hatred right now. We all need to join together to form a strong trading-bloc on the international stage.

OP posts:
Kljnmw3459 · 13/11/2020 07:41

Liberal?
I think you mean conservative?

Sittinbythesea · 13/11/2020 07:34

Why have you written English white elite with capital letters? Hmm

KaptainKaveman · 13/11/2020 07:20

What does "going out on a shield" mean? is it a reference to Agincourt or something?

The so called 'liberal' media is overwhelmingly right wing, actually.

"As a union we are strong" - er, what? it's only a matter of time before N. Ireland secedes (and good luck to them I say) and Scotland gains independence so they can rejoin the EU lucky bastards. Strong union my arse.

"This constant slating of England and its colonial history is really getting to me". Good. It ought to. It's about time the English White Elite was forced to acknowledge its brutal history of land grab, suppression and enforcement.

If the best you can muster is the Beatles, Stones and Kinks then you aren't very clued up. The Clash were better.

Sittinbythesea · 13/11/2020 07:04

‘British exceptionalism’ still exists - but now sometimes seen in a reversed way - that we are exceptionally bad. I don’t think that’s anymore true than the idea that we were ever exceptionally morally ‘good’. We did start the industrial revolution, have a huge empire, spread our language and have international clout so I can see why 100 odd years ago people felt proud to be British - it was a different time with different ethics.
All countries have violent and oppressive histories. Mankind is a violent animal. We do seem peculiar in this country in that we are expected to feel personal guilt for the action of our forefathers (or more likely someone else’s forefathers, let’s not forget the ruling class was tiny). But we don’t seem to expect other countries to feel guilty about the their past actions, we wouldn’t dream of trying to make a Belgian teenager feel personally guilty about the Congo. We never discuss the failings of other countries in comparison to our own - when I chat to friends from France and Spain we basically all have the same issues in our countries.
Our country isn’t exceptionally bad - it’s pretty good for many people! There are problems of course - but so there are in all countries. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t strive for better, but the “this country is awful” attitude is very silly when considered on a global scale.
I think it’s this divide between people thinking we are so awful or so amazing that’s driven Brexit etc. Ridiculous populism from both ends.
We are just a fairly normal Western European nation.

Sohardtochooseausername · 13/11/2020 06:38

Are you drunk, OP?

barkingfly · 13/11/2020 06:30

This is some weird copy and paste shit, right? Also incoherent.

AnnaFiveTowns · 12/11/2020 23:23

How can anyone be "over-educated"? Donald, is that you?

cdtaylornats · 12/11/2020 23:06

astonishing cruel empire

Except for most of the other empires.

You don't see a French, Spanish or Portuguese commonwealth.

As for the Belgian activities in Africa best not say.

ThePlantsitter · 12/11/2020 18:11

the mainstream British media is trying to send the British public down a rabbit-hole of self-loathing.

I would ask you to be SPECIFIC about exactly which organisations in what media are producing what reports on which topics, and what language and other techniques they are using to do - exactly what?

But you clearly have your own agenda and think all us mums are too thick to notice. So don't bother because I'm sure you can't anyway.

Mrsfrumble · 12/11/2020 18:06

Hmmm, very slightly in the OP’s defence, there are people with mixed English / Scottish / Welsh / NI heritage who do consider themselves “British” rather than identifying with a specific home nation, but saying it doesn’t matter at all is crass because to many people it does.

AgentProvocateur · 12/11/2020 17:53

not being sure if I am from England, or the UK. Who gives a toss? It's all the same thing. As a Union we are strong.

You are both ignorant and deluded.

Mrsfrumble · 12/11/2020 17:51

The British Empire was responsible for some horrific atrocities. But hey, I’m sure the hundreds of thousands of Kenyans interned and tortured after the Mau Mau uprising found great comfort in the music of the Kinks Hmm

It’s possible to acknowledge these atrocities and still feel fortunate to be British (I won’t say “proud” because I didn’t choose to be born here, so it was no achievement on my part). And our mainstream media is not nearly as liberal as you seem to think.

CrypticQueen · 12/11/2020 17:47

As a liberal, I kind of loathe being governed by a bunch of truly useless populist conservatives who appear to have no plans for anything. Maybe that’s what you mean 🤷‍♀️

Summerstorms · 12/11/2020 17:46

Fuck that noise, I'm seriously thinking about joining YesCymru

TicTacTwo · 12/11/2020 17:44

I think that you've got a cheek "telling off" the leaders in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Surely you'd support people from those countries feeling National pride ?

TicTacTwo · 12/11/2020 17:42

Did you not see the front pages of newspapers in the run up to the General Election? They are very conservative and often foreign owned by people like Rupert Murdoch who peddle very right wing material is other countries like the US (Fox News)

All of your great English things are from 50 years ago! You might want to update that list with more current examples like Adele.

Toilenstripes · 12/11/2020 17:38

Something about going out on a shield?

noodlezoodle · 12/11/2020 17:35

Well this is startlingly incoherent, but assuming you're posting in good faith...

The British media (particularly print) is overwhelmingly conservative. Not really sure who you're referring to as the liberal media here.

British colonial history is a stain on the world and should not be celebrated.

What trading bloc are you talking about? The UK is already a 'trading bloc', so I'm not sure who else you mean? Unless you're advocating to join the EU? Grin

PickAChew · 12/11/2020 16:17

Nice essay.

What's your agenda?

PaddyF0dder · 12/11/2020 16:15

Where to start.

The universal language is a result of an astonishing cruel empire. It wasn’t a gift. It was a forceful imposition.

You seem to conflate “English” with “British”. Why? Check yourself.

You mentioned “the Beatles, the stones, the kinks” twice. Memory problems?

British colonial history deserves far more than “slating”. Far, far more.

A bit strange to “proud of” of being a certain nationality. You didn’t chose where you were born. Getting born in a particular geographical spot is not an achievement.