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Although we are indeed in turbulent times, in general there is a lot of goodwill around and it's like people are realising that to help and be helped is OK. Even the government redistributing our future taxes to allow people (well, some of them), to continue to put food on the table and feed their families. A recognition that important, necessary work cannot be measured in salary alone, it's an amazing transformation. I think I'll call it 'Socialist Tendencies' and pray that the philosophy continues.

I'm calling it the Great Global Sleep - the quiet is now very noticeable.

It looks like there's a reconfiguration going on - the best I can say for now is that the 'status' of the Carer, Shelf Stacker, Delivery Driver , etc is being raised.

It appears that styling the latest cushions and commenting on the best lipstick for your friends to wear isn't really worth as much as the marketers and their recipients think.

I'm still in bed, been awake ages, but still here as it's warm and safe. Stopped watching TV, and just pottering around when up.
Oh look coffee.

Just popped in to air the place and do the dusting. The log pile is good, Maybe next time I dust I'll light a fire and throw a log or two on too.

FFS - For Forture's Sake.

Amazing that it's only a week since the budget and already it's completely out of date. The expense of Coronavirus is going to wipe all other plans off the board. I'm really hoping it will put an end to the money-sucking monster called HS2

Having an anti Islam problem isn't, as you well know, racist

I don't know any such thing. I call it racism, same as anti-semitism is racism. If you want to try to dodge that it's up to you.

I would also point out that people who traditionally voted Labour also voted for Brexit, so where does that leave your argument?
Is that to me? If so, I don't know what you mean. I already said above that voting for Brexit does not make you racist or right wing.

Having an anti Islam problem isn't, as you well know, racist; any more than having a anti Christian problem would be. Muslims, like Christians come in a whole range of differing skin tones and nationalities, and like Christianity, Islam has adherents across the globe.

I don't think it is fair to ignore the very large anti-semitic elephant in the room do you? I don't think the Equality and Human Rights Commission are undertaking an inquiry into the Tories, as they are into Labour. I think that it is something that has to be dealt with by Labour, swiftly and ruthlessly, and then there are other pressing issues for them to address. I have never been less likely to stick a tick beside a Labour name on a ballot paper than I am now, and until they address the anti semitism; the very real concerns of women about the trans lobby; and get short of Momentum, that isn't going to change.

I would also point out that people who traditionally voted Labour also voted for Brexit, so where does that leave your argument?

Hello? (Hello, hello,)
Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me
Is there anyone home?

Just giving the place a dust down
and restocking the loo rolls (making
use of the No Deal Brexit preps that
stocked the warehouses).

Anyhoo - for those of us that survive
the viral onslaught - we can be sure
of one thing....

Razor Clams are on The Menu.

Yes I suppose that's one way of dealing with racism in the Tory party - talk about the Labour party instead!

Let's not forget the pervasive anti semitism of the Labour Party and the whitewash Chakrabati inquiry that turned out to be, well, wrong.

just because some people with abhorrent views voted for the same party as me doesn't make the whole party culpable for their vial views

Correct. And it's also definitely true to say that you don't have to be on the far right to have voted for Brexit.

But, if pp with racist views have joined the tories, and urged others from their far-right groups to join and if the tories have been accused by several of their own members of having an anti-islam problem and if the leader of that party has shelved an enquiry into those allegations - well, that's a whole lot of circumstantial evidence building up.

So frankly your argument is far weaker than mine

@MeganBacon you may think that.......

Of course it doesn't mean you're a racist. It just makes it more likely.

LittleRootie, your argument reminds me of remainers who suggested that if you voted leave you were a racist. So just as then I can safely say that just because some people with abhorrent views voted for the same party as me doesn't make the whole party culpable for their vial views.

The idea that the conservative party has gone much further right is a fallacy. Johnson is not far right. Just because he wanted Brexit doesn't make him far right.
Totally true.

idiots think it's a good idea to join but were refused/never actually did it at all has nothing to do with Conservatives.

Nothing to do with at all? Nothing to do with the anti-islam issues highlighted by Baroness Warsi? You don't think that anti-islamist tone wouldn't make, say, some other very vocal anti-islamist campaigners feel at home in with the Tories?

And we don't actually know that they didn't join, we've only got the Tories word for that and they're a bunch of liars.

You may think that.......

As far as I'm concerned as a paid up member of the Conservative party the fact that idiots think it's a good idea to join but were refused/never actually did it at all has nothing to do with Conservatives.
The idea that the conservative party has gone much further right is a fallacy. Johnson is not far right. Just because he wanted Brexit doesn't make him far right.
As for the Labour party and momentum!

Actually, i've still got that a bit garbled..

So Paul Golding, leader of Britain First, told members to join the Tory party and claimed to have joined himself.

Tommy Robinson endorsed Boris Johnson during the GE campaign and after the GE said he had joined the Tory party.

Tory HQ claimed that neither had actually been allowed to join the party but the fact that both far-right anti-islamist campaigners felt comfortable endorsing Johnson speaks loud and clear about his Gov.

Thanks @LittleRootie that explains my confusion. Very much the same thing these days, sadly.

He stated after the GE that he'd joined the Tory party and urged other Britain First members to follow his lead. The Tories claimed he hadn't been accepted as a member and never would be. Who's more likely to lie I wonder..?

Apologies, the Tories are so far to the right these days I get confused. Should have said supporter, not member.

Tommy Robinson a Tory Party member! Give me strength.

I'm sure he has people 'looking after' him

TR must be doing alright for himself then