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Is dh right when he says he can't vote for Labour simply because of this?

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mummyrocks1 · 30/11/2019 21:37

Just had a discussion with DH as our postal votes are in soon. His sole reasoning as to why he can't vote for JC is that he's an extremist, he's a communist and because previously he has aligned himself with extremists and seemed to sympathise with them. He thinks there will be more attacks under GC as he won't be taken seriously and he will 'try to make friends with them if anything happens' rather than using a hard line.

He sent me this article when I asked him to back his views up.

foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/07/voting-for-jeremy-corbyn-isnt-just-dumb-its-dangerous/

I was thinking I would vote for labour but now rethinking. Is he right?

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ColourMagic · 02/12/2019 17:32

Letter from 163 economists to the Financial Times, backing Labour's policies as vital to get the economy working again.

Signatories include Danny Blanchflower, who is a former member of the Bank of England's interest rate-setting Monetary Policy Committee. The letter is quite long so I have included only some parts of it. The Full letter is on the Link and well worth reading.

Letter: 'As economists we believe the Labour party deserves to form the next UK government'

From David G Blanchflower and others

'The UK economy needs reform. For too long it has prioritised consumption over investment, short-term financial returns over long-term innovation, rising asset values over rising wages, and deficit reduction over the quality of public services.

The results are now plain. We have had 10 years of near zero productivity growth. Corporate investment has stagnated. Average earnings are still lower than in 2008. A gulf has arisen between London and the South East and the rest of the country. And public services are under intolerable strain — which the economic costs of a hard Brexit would only make worse. We now moreover face the urgent imperative of acting on the climate and environmental crisis.

Given private sector reluctance, what the UK economy needs is a serious injection of public investment, which can in turn leverage private finance attracted by the expectation of higher demand. Such investment needs to be directed into the large-scale and rapid decarbonisation of energy, transport, housing, industry and farming; the support of innovation- and export-oriented businesses; and public services. It is clear that this will require an active and green industrial strategy, aimed at improving productivity and spreading investment across the country....

..... As economists, and people who work in various fields of economic policy, we have looked closely at the economic prospectuses of the political parties. It seems clear to us that the Labour party has not only understood the deep problems we face, but has devised serious proposals for dealing with them. We believe it deserves to form the next government.'

David G Blanchflower
Bruce V Rauner Professor of Economics, Dartmouth College; Professor of Economics. University of Stirling; former member, Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee

Plus 162 other signatures.

www.ft.com/content/d6f56834-0f78-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeae

KenDodd · 01/12/2019 12:57

As for Corbyn being a nasty, dangerous idiot.
Well I don't know about nasty but he certainly is a dangerous idiot. His refusal to step down is going to let in the most right wing government this country has seen followed by their disastrous no deal Brexit at the end of 2020, a return to violence in NI and renewed momentum for the break up of the UK. I swear sometimes I think Corbyn is a Tory mole, he's certainly the Tories greatest asset.

Ragwort · 01/12/2019 09:32

I wouldn't want my DH to try and persuade me to vote differently, everyone is entitled to their own political view (whether we agree with it or not), my DH & I don't vote the same, our votes probably do cancel each other's vote, but that is our right, to have a free vote.

ivykaty44 · 01/12/2019 08:34

1700 people killed and thousands injured by motorists this year, they all need treatment from NHS. Your more likely to be involved in a car crash, unfortunately and need medical treatment

You’ll say goodbye to free at source NHS, it’ll still be there but not as we know it

WendyMoiraAngelaDarling · 01/12/2019 08:28

Prime Ministers don't get to do exactly what they want, as Boris is finding out. I laughed at his petulant face when he sat in parliament as he realised that he couldn't actually just "get Brexit done!" Prime Ministers are figure heads they don't actually get final say on anything.

Cyberworrier · 01/12/2019 08:24

When you vote in a leader who has certain views, you'll find an alarming rise is those members of society who see it as a goahead to openly support/spout the same held views

I agree with this. Which is why I don’t want a party leader who uses girl as an insult and who has lied to parliament, the Queen and the people. (And other reprehensible views stated above).

Cyberworrier · 01/12/2019 08:21

As for Corbyn being a nasty, dangerous idiot. The mind boggles. Ok, I’m not Jezza’s biggest fan, but if you offer me a choice between a long-standing campaigner for peace and social justice and a philandering, out of touch journo who has denigrated (without apology) single mothers, Muslims, black people, gay people, Liverpudlians etc without a thought... I know who I would rather have as PM.

Also shows, some people must have a very different understanding of the word nasty to call the anti apartheid campaigner nasty, not the elitist, sexist philanderer. 🤷‍♀️

Oh and as for unseen influences... excuse me, Russian involvement in Brexit!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-5025688

And not forgetting the Tweedle dum to his Tweedle Dee
www.standard.co.uk/news/world/general-election-news-latest-donald-trump-says-he-wants-his-friends-boris-johnson-and-nigel-farage-a4277511.html

lonelyplanetmum · 01/12/2019 08:19

Oh and where I said used trucks to close Parliament in my original post I meant tricks!

lonelyplanetmum · 01/12/2019 08:15

mummyrocks I got much more into reading about politics since 2016 so I now read loads of different news from different sources to form a view.

If it's any consolation my DH says he doesn't vote Tory... but I'm not so sure! It's also irritates me that he is sometimes ill informed and he also copies his colleague who makes sweeping generalisations about Labour that are in correct. Plus FiL a UKIP/Brexit party voter so although DH says he agrees with me I'm not always convinced!

Cyberworrier · 01/12/2019 08:10

Votes cancelling each other out is an odd way of looking at it, but sounds like you do want to cancel his vote for austerity out, so if that makes sense to you go for it.
Honestly, you seem to have more of a grasp of current affairs than your husband, so vote with your conscience.
As others say, if you are worried about security, both in terms of financial/public services/terror threats, voting for getting Brexit done, at all costs, come what may, is like a Turkey voting for Christmas. As PP have said, Brexit is already creating tensions in NI. Think about the NHS and please research what people on the ground are saying and how they feel about current govt.

YouJustDoYou · 01/12/2019 08:08

When you vote in a leader who has certain views, you'll find an alarming rise is those members of society who see it as a goahead to openly support/spout the same held views. So saying "you're voting for the party, not the leader" is utterly irresponsible.

GiveHerHellFromUs · 01/12/2019 08:01

Plus- annoying as if he votes conservatives if immediately cancels out my labour vote anyway. So what's the point?

In your OP you said you're thinking of changing your vote so it's nothing to do with cancelling your vote out (which it doesn't).

leckford · 01/12/2019 07:54

Husband is correct Corbyn is an nasty, dangerous, idiot. Controlled by some very nasty individuals.

mummyrocks1 · 01/12/2019 07:52

Plus- annoying as if he votes conservatives if immediately cancels out my labour vote anyway. So what's the point?

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Mintjulia · 01/12/2019 07:51

OP, that is HIS view, and his vote. He can do as he pleases.

How you vote is up to you.

mummyrocks1 · 01/12/2019 07:50

Lonely planet- thanks for your list. Shocking. I wish it was on more threads to help people make a more informed decision.

I am not letting DH rule my decision or asking his permission. There is lots of DH says because I am outlining why he says he is choosing to vote conservatives.

I am interested in how he votes because it feels like he doesn't care, I can't quite believe he wants to vote for more of this misery. I don't think he's thinking of how it effects our family, he's in his own bubble, or how it effects our future and our children's future. Plus it irritates me that he is so ill informed and makes sweeping generalisations about something so important.

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Bluewavescrashing · 01/12/2019 07:48

Corbyn is a socialist not a communist.

Mjlp · 01/12/2019 07:47
  • are NOT just Islamist extremists
Mjlp · 01/12/2019 07:46

I think there will be more terrorist attacks under the tories!

Terrorists are just Islamist extremists. When I was growing up in the 80s terrorists were Irish.

How did Irish terrorism stop? Talking and trying to be friends is what actually achieved peace!

If the tories win and get their Brexit deal through, I can see a return to Irish terrorism, as well as the current Islamist terrorism the tories are failing to prevent!

SaskiaRembrandt · 01/12/2019 07:40

He still maintains the view that he can't vote for a communist

Jeremy Corbyn isn't a communist, he's a socialist. Is your husband one of those thick people who don't know the difference?

Maybe he should do a bit of reading before he decides who to vote for because at the moment he sounds incredibly uninformed.

Scotinthenorth · 01/12/2019 07:28

This is all the times he has voted against anti terrorism measures

Is dh right when he says he can't vote for Labour simply because of this?
GiveHerHellFromUs · 01/12/2019 07:16

If you can't make a decision without doing what your husband says you probably shouldn't bother voting.

lightnesspixie · 01/12/2019 07:13

He is a dangerous dangerous man.

Goldenchildsmum · 01/12/2019 07:05

As long as your DH doesn't vote Tory .... Cummings/Boris and their very RW cabinet achieving a strong working majority - scares the bejesus out of me

Phuquocdreams · 01/12/2019 06:45

Labour are so “anti-women” one of their MPs got rid of the abortion ban in NI, which when raised on here on the feminism board usually got snippy responses and a “nothing we can do here in Britain” response.
MN has a strange brand of feminism!
Sorry no that’s off topic...

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