Dead kids in the US - future of the NHS?

Already happening because of left-wing government incompetence in Scotland. Just one of the SNP victims

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-50445016

@OhTheRoses

I can't work out if your being sarcastic or not.

Do you remember the iron curtain and what happened behind it under the communists op. You do realise JC is a communist sympathiser. God help us if he gets elected. We would contemplate leaving the UK and taking our money and future contributions with us.

🙄 I find it hard to understand how people are so drawn in by politicians offering ridiculous unfeasible initiatives/plans and then complain when they don’t work! ‘Vote for us and we’ll increase benefits/funding for the NHS and wipe student loans- just don’t ask how we’re gonna pay for it because we don’t know’

crowd cheers 🙄

Or even worse they just point the angry mob towards anyone not reliant on benefits with a backhanded ‘why should they be doing better than you? Let’s take even more from them!’

🤔 The people who should lose out are those with millions sat in the bank, companies avoiding tax...etc. Not families having to live in inflated prices areas (for work) where £50k-£100k (after tax, NI, SL, full childcare fees and required professional fees) actually equates to a similar lifestyle to another family earning £30k but being topped up, subsidised and funded by every initiative going.

I have friends earning £75k and friends earning £12k PT and what really shocks me is the lack of difference in lifestyle. From an outside point of view it looks like a lot of people who should be ‘wealthy middle class’ are also now struggling.

Elderly care, social care, benefits, schools, NHS... we don’t make enough as a country to fund all of this.

@KenDodd Nigel has as much of a hard on for the NHS as the average Brit. He’s fallen out with people over it. Literally refused to speak to or see them anymore.

Children already die here because their parents can’t afford to go private.

If we will be buying our pharmaceuticals from the US isn’t that going to mean a collapse of EU pharmaceutical companies

Does anyone actually believe that the EU won’t sell to us?

Imagine if there was differing levels of service based on how much money you have.

We already do: NHS patients get treated like cattle if you're lucky and anyone able to pay for private care gets treated like a human being.

You clearly do not know what you are talking about. You cannot give an exact prescription for insulin because people eat different amounts of carbs every day so it's more of an estimate. Also, when you get sick you need more insulin. Type 1 is very different from type 2. It is possible to stockpile by eating less carbs or asking for an earlier prescription. They don't ask you to proove how many carbs you ate daily over the last two months or so.

The irony of doing this because you're panicked about shortages as a result of Brexit or a Tory government. Kind of like when everyone buys all the bread at the first mention of snow

The idea about the Tories and US Pharma comes from the stolen report Corbyn is waving about where it says drug sales from the US to UK will go from £18 billion to £45 billion.

Now why might this be - since the referendum the scare story is we wont be able to get drugs from the EU - so where might we get them? The USA so if we start importing from the USA the amount will go up.

Countries don't actually buy drugs from countries - Health Authorities negotiate with drug companies to buy them.

American drugs are expensive in the USA because of laws stopping cartels of health providers putting the squeeze on drug companies. We have anti-cartel laws here too. It also takes a lot more marketing effort in the USA.

American generic drugs are cheaper than EU ones.

But don't let a few facts bother you. Just remember when Corbyn bankrupts the country it is your children who will pay for it.

proud of what the conservatives are doing to the country

Seriously and honestly? I kind of understand people voting Tory if that's what they have always done (I am Labour born and bred and understand loyalty) I also get that people might find Corbyn difficult. But. What exactly is there to be proud of in voting Tory? Not being critical or goady just want to know what you are PROUD of?

@KenDodd

I think I know the clip you are referring to. I think it dates from 2011. And I am pretty sure that Farage actually suggests an insurance based scheme - NOT a US style scheme. The press spun it as him suggesting an American style system because that kind of alarmist headline gets a reaction. But that is not what he said.

Many EU countries operate compulsory insurance schemes. And as anyone who has lived in eg Germany or Belgium knows these schemes deliver far better health care outcomes than the NHS.

(Not defending Farage in any way btw)

My cousin in Ireland has placed several orders for insulin to ensure they don't run out. Her pharmacist has warned of shortages.

Post Brexit deals with US pharma are going to cost the NHS more money. Services might still be free at point of use but the level at which one qualifies for assistance is going to be raised.

I haven’t got further than a few posts but feel the need to point a couple of things out.

UNICEF regards marriage under 18 as child marriage and a violation of human rights

You do know you can get married in the UK at 16.

Also I don’t know anyone who is stockpiling insulin.

Dp is type 1 diabetic and his insulin has been rationed to the point of him having to plead for a prescription when he has had to be away with work for a couple of weeks and his insulin will run out midway through.

As for

All the Conservative voters better hope they never need social care or NHS treatment. You only find out how underfunded they are when you need them. And anyone can end up needing them. Bad luck can come to anyone, no one is invincible

Dp has terminal cancer. Terminal because the wonderful NHS kept telling him that he shouldn’t be scaring himself by consulting Dr Google.

The fact the disease is hereditary and dfil died of it was dismissed

Did this wonderful NHS that everyone wants to keep do anything?

No.

We had to pay for treatment.

We have always had to pay for treatment.

@electricwhisk
No politician from any UK political party has ever suggested replacing the NHS with a US health care model.

Nigel Farage has. I'll see if I can find the clip for you.

I worked in a specialist transplant centre for many years Tolleshunt hth.

Are you calling me a liar?

I am so, so glad I didn't vote for Brexit or the Tories.

No blood on my hands, none of this mess is my fault.

It’s amazing how often it happens on MN, that the minute somebody is backed into a corner, they magically turn out to have a niche expertise at the coal face of the issue under debate.

Having enough insulin to meet clinical needs is entirely different from stockpiling. And you know that.

I've been involved in many renal transplants so am fully aware of their cost.

So you're saying people are lying or changing their diets to fool the NHS into giving them additional drugs? Really?

@RaymondStopThat

No people are trying to have enough in their fridge so they don't have to be taken to hospital when they run out. Your way of thinking would costs lives and much more money. You can't predict the exact day when you run out. It's not like a daily pill that you take. You might need a shot of 15 for one dinner and a shot of 25 for the carb heavy dinner the next day. Maybe you should educate yourself a bit about this. A type 1 diabetic who runs out of insulin is in danger of a coma, death or damage to eyes and kidneys among other things. These are all problems that costs the NHS much more money than a little insulin and fucks up lives. Plus the insulin doesn't go bad so quickly so they just use it up but try to keep a little stash ahead of them at all times. Having a few week stash prevents such problems. Maybe you should look up the cost of insulin versus a kidney transplant.

IDK I think your OP is a bit overly dramatic but my sibling type 1 so trust me I see it from both sides.

No child should be left to die- obviously.

However, the level of entitlement in this country makes me sick. Two of my best friends are nurses and the abuse they get working in A&E from drunk ‘rough’ (their word not mine) idiots is appalling.

Whilst it’s not a class issue it is I’m afraid a result of the NHS being a free service. If people had to pay for treatment it would massively disadvantaged those who couldn’t afford it but it would no doubt reduce the exploitation and abuse the NHS currently suffers. People say ‘there are better ways to tackle it’ but implementing them is expensive with no available budget and none have worked so far.

I read a thread just tonight, an angry mother felt the gov were in the wrong as after paying car finance, sky and mobile bills they were going to be left with £14 for Christmas - she was a SAHM to 3 kids and DP only worked 24 hours as wanted to ‘maximise benefits’ 🙄 Maybe instead of worrying about what might potentially happen to the NHS at some point under the conservatives - we all worry about the very real social exploitation happening already and how this will escalate under labour / who seem to want to give everything to everyone without any solid plans of how to fund it all 👍🏻

‘Rich/ middle class people...grrrrr’ - That’s not a financial plan I’m afraid.

Well that'll really help the NHS drug budget won't it, when all that stockpiled insulin expires and has to be binned.

Or sell it to the highest bidder on the black market.

So you're saying people are lying or changing their diets to fool the NHS into giving them additional drugs? Really?

Well that'll really help the NHS drug budget won't it, when all that stockpiled insulin expires and has to be binned. Or there'll be shortages because people's fridges are full of insulin and those who actually need it at the time can't get any...