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I still don't know who to vote for

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QueenOfIce · 23/11/2019 14:46

I'm struggling, reading through the manifestos of all parties and if I could cherry pick there are some from each I can align with, however I dislike Boris and Jeremy and I know I am meant to vote for the party not the person but I just can't see either of them as the best possible choice.

I live in a safe Tory seat area, he's a useless MP. I want my vote to count but I'm really struggling to decide.

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TheSandman · 12/12/2019 21:32

So i voted labour, the only person who actually lived in the constituency. I dont really want Corbyn as MP but it seems a devil and the deep blue sea.

Good for you!

Moomin8 · 12/12/2019 15:29

My DH is voting for conservatives - he's concerned Labour will put up taxes for us, our income is about 30-40k.

This is the kind of view many people have. In reality the Conservatives only look after people who earn upwards of £100k so it's a very misguided opinion in my view.

EvilPea · 12/12/2019 15:03

My DH is voting for conservatives - he's concerned Labour will put up taxes for us, our income is about 30-40k. I tried pointing out conservatives have been in power the entire time we've been parents, Have the prospects improved for them?
Has our housing situation improved?
Have hospitals improved?
Have schools improved?

I stood in the booth and looked at the candidates
Conservatives - nope
Independent - nope (previously asked for their help when they were conservative MP and was unable to get a conversation)
Green Party- where have you been? I do normally vote green, but this was their time, and theyve completely hidden away

So i voted labour, the only person who actually lived in the constituency.
I dont really want Corbyn as MP but it seems a devil and the deep blue sea.

lilgreen · 11/12/2019 17:55

If you care about schools, hospitals and police you can’t vote for Boris.

Moomin8 · 11/12/2019 17:25

I've come across people at work who genuinely don't believe that there are some people in the U.K. who can't afford to buy food. It's people like them who are the problem.

Parker231 · 11/12/2019 17:19

The Tories don’t even believe that there is a need for food banks - they caused the problem but won’t face up to it.

HollowTalk · 11/12/2019 16:05

I think if you think that the country has been healthy, united and well off these last ten years, then by all means vote Conservative. If you think that the NHS and schools are doing well, that prisons aren't over-crowded, that social services are able to do a good job with enough money, then vote Conservative.

Moomin8 · 11/12/2019 16:02

Another 5 years of this uncaring, self-serving Tory government who’s only priority is pleasing the very rich, selling off our NHS and running the country to the ground, terrifies me.

Me too Sad

ButterflyOfFreedom · 11/12/2019 14:18

Have you seen the latest?

Do some people really want this man as PM??

He just continually refuses to face scrutiny.

He's a coward not a leader.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-hides-fridge-general-election-piers-morgan-good-morning-britain-live-tv-a9241631.html%3famp

Skysblue · 11/12/2019 13:53

If you believe that the country has been run brilliantly for the last nine years, that the economy is currently booming, and that BJ has a track record of delivering on his promises, vote Conservative.

If you believe that the last nine years have been a disaster for the country, and that BJ has a track record of lies, incompetence, and a lack of basic integrity, AND you can see some of the ways in which this could be a problem when managing a country, then vote Labour/Libdem/Green, whichever is more likely to get in where you live.

If you think that the rule of law is important, or that it’s nice to treat women with respect, also vote Labour/Libdem/Green.

If you believe whatever you read in a tabloid, vote Brexit Party/UKIP.

But whatever you do, don’t make the mistake of thinking this election is about brexit. Things are now much worse than that. It’s about food banks. About climate change. About affordable housing and healthcare. It’s about Russian social media bots. It’s about what to do in tough times: help British children living in poverty to eat, or instead give tax cuts to those who fund political lunches. It’s about whether, when Greta’s generation grow up and reach power, tell us we’re a bunch of idiots, and confiscate our pensions, we’ll have any grounds for saying that’s not fair.

Helmlover1 · 11/12/2019 13:51

If you are a compassionate, empathetic person who cares about the NHS, children living in poverty and the most vulnerable in our society, please vote Labour.

Another 5 years of this uncaring, self-serving Tory government who’s only priority is pleasing the very rich, selling off our NHS and running the country to the ground, terrifies me.

ButterflyOfFreedom · 11/12/2019 13:44

Anyone considering voting Tory who has a vested interest in the Learning, Disability & Autism Fund should look at this:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/politics/3762568-tory-manifesto-sets-out-plan-to-reduce-spending-on-learning-disabilities-and-autism-to-0-by-2023

ColourMagic · 11/12/2019 12:18

Oblomov19

This tactical voting comparison site has an easy to follow chart.

'Tactical voting websites agree much more often than they disagree. Use this page to compare the different sites.'

tactical.vote/compare

ColourMagic · 11/12/2019 12:13

"Johnson's main aim isn't to break what we already have but to ensure that we can get new trade deals that are tailor-made for the UK without being vetoed by an unwieldy EU"

Johnson does not have one single trade deal lined up. You really think we will be in a position to bargain? The US will hold all the cards, and we will hold no power in 'negotiating' with the US.

scissy · 11/12/2019 11:58

It depends what constituency you're in OP. In my constituency in the last constituency based poll from a couple of weeks ago, the vote was split 45% conservative, 45% lib dem, 9% labour. No one knows which way it's going to go it's that close, but voting for labour where i live is splitting the left vote. Honestly, if you don't want to vote Tory look at the tactical voting sites to see what's best for where you live.

TartanMarbled · 11/12/2019 10:27

Vote Labour, please.

IsItBetter · 11/12/2019 09:08

it isn't highly likely there will be a no-deal Brexit at the end of 2020 at all, there is already equivalency in goods and services and it is up to uk negotiators how far they want to diverge from the current status quo.

Johnson's main aim isn't to break what we already have but to ensure that we can get new trade deals that are tailor-made for the UK without being vetoed by an unwieldy EU

TheSandman · 11/12/2019 08:50

everyone said Johnson couldnt get a revised Brexit deal from the EU... he did

No he didn't! The EU just 'Clarified' some details. Hardly a 'new deal'.

TheSandman · 11/12/2019 08:47

www.getvoting.org/ For tactical voting against tories.

Does this site actually work?

I just put in my postcode and all it did was list all the other mainstream candidates for my area - all it did give me a list that was excluded the Tories (obv), Ukip, Brexit Party, and the rag bag of loony Family Party and Christian fundamentalist fruitcakes that are standing - hardly helpful. I could do that with my eyes shut

But then, a Tory wouldn't win this seat if they were the only candidate standing.

Moomin8 · 11/12/2019 08:36

The note is also a load of rubbish.

The House of Lords voted down tax credit cuts when the coalition got in because they said they were clearly ideological alongside the tax cuts for the rich that were being proposed.

Moomin8 · 11/12/2019 08:33

I don't think Corbyn is at all toxic - don't put words in my mouth.

I think we need more cross party engagement to sort out the gigantic mess that is Brexit.

And even John Major, a fairly recent conservative prime minister is telling people not to vote Conservative.

It's funny how Tory voters can never actually set out what the Conservatives are actually doing or what plans they have that are good for the U.K. - all they do is slag off Jeremy Corbyn and call people liars when we point out what amounts to fascist policies from the Tories.

Parker231 · 11/12/2019 08:31

It is highly likely there will be a no deal exit at the end of 2020. Most trade experts have warned that it will be extremely difficult to strike a trade agreement covering the whole of the UK economy in such a short timescale. Comparable deals have taken as long as seven years.

Don’t believe Boris’s comments on this - he’s lied throughout the election campaign, is continuing to do so about checks in NI and his own colleagues are saying it can’t be done in such a short timescale.

IsItBetter · 11/12/2019 07:26

It says it all that pro-Labour people like moomin are telling everyone to vote Labour for "a center left coalition". They know Corbyn is toxic to most voters but pretend he cant get in power. Dont listen to any of it, there is a real clear and present danger that Corbyn will get a majority.

As for this crap about public services and no deal Brexit, well everyone said Johnson couldnt get a revised Brexit deal from the EU... he did. And the Tories will invest more in public services as everyone recognises that they need more funding, which is now possible due to the way the economy has been handled over the last 9 years. The difference is the Tories will increase spending in a sustainable manner.

People claiming the last Labour government left budget for public services are deluded... Liam Byrne (the Labour treasury minister at the time) even left a note to the incoming 2010 coalition laughing about how the country was bankrupt...

p.s. isidewith is just a troll website with skewed questions to try to get you to vote Labour.

ButterflyOfFreedom · 11/12/2019 06:36

Please not Conservative.

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