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Labour policies unrealistic

62 replies

puds11 · 22/11/2019 07:21

I’ve just been reading through the 12 main policies (according to BBC) and can’t help but think pretty much all of them sound unrealistic and like they will result in national debt.

Does anyone else think this? Or can anyone explain how it won’t?

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Eyewhisker · 22/11/2019 08:44

GCAcademic - I am no Tory but that is totally misleading. Total debt was low under Labour but rose dramatically during the financial crisis. This was because as a result of the financial crisis government spending rose and tax revenue fell. As a result, government was spending a third more than it received in tax revenues. That was totally unsustainable and needed massive increases in tax and relatively modest spending cuts to tackle it.

It was absolutely necessary to close that gap between government spending and revenue. Put simply, the financial crisis mean that the country was poorer and could no longer afford what it had and so had to reduce spending and increase income (taxes). This was austerity and was absolutely necessary.

The country’s financial position has stabilised but that does not mean that we can afford a spending spree that will decimate our telecoms industry (free broadband will put many companies out of business) or huge tax increases.

GCAcademic · 22/11/2019 08:31

Labour will spend, spend, spend and then the tories will have to come in and sort out their mess and it’ll make them the ‘bad’ party with austerity measures.

Are you aware of just how much the Tories have added to the national debt during their era of austerity? It’s terrifying. They don’t have the excuse of having had to bail out the banks, they’ve run public services into the ground, and they’ve accrued more debt than Labour ever did.

OhWhatAPalaver · 22/11/2019 08:28

Labour's policies are considered standard in most Scandinavian countries. He's considered moderate up there. If it works there, it can work here. People have just been indoctrinated to think otherwise. Plenty of other countries have nationised services successfully, Japan, Switzerland, Portugal to name a few. We're being and have been done over as a nation by the tories and blair's poor excuse for Labour for over 3 decades. No wonder people doubt. But research what happens in other successful economies and you will be very surprised. Don't fall for the media bias.
The media are owned by billionaires, Labour will make them pay their fair share in taxes, the Conservatives won't. Who do you think they will support?

donquixotedelamancha · 22/11/2019 08:25

The whole manifesto has been costed.

Yeah, but the costings are wrong. Pumping that much money into infrastructure investment always creates new jobs. That will raise more money, not shown in their costings, and what will they do with that?

Probably piss it away on schools and hospitals- fucking commies.

Look at Germany, Sweden, Norway or America during the new deal or after Obama's investment: developed nations spending money on capital investment, new technology and education is a terrible idea.

SnuggyBuggy · 22/11/2019 08:10

The building homes is a bit worrying. A lot of new estates are really badly thought out in poor locations with no infrastructure or cheaply and nastily made.

donquixotedelamancha · 22/11/2019 08:07

I think free broadband and part nationalising BT is madness

They are talking about nationalising openreach, which is a private monopoly and has been a barrier to growing the UK communication infrastructure. I can see why it's being proposed.

Hoppinggreen · 22/11/2019 08:02

I think there are some great ideas BUT I don’t see how most of them will be paid for and implemented. I’m also wary if so much State control, however, putting everything in Private hands hasn’t worked so well.
To be honest I would never vote for them anyway so this manifesto makes no difference to me anyway.

getmeacupoftea · 22/11/2019 07:58

Given there are posters on here with names like "FOJeremy" I can generally tell which way this thread will go, so I'm only posting once.
The whole manifesto has been costed. And it really is surprising how much money there is from just 10% of the UK's top 5 richest people and what that could pay for. Boris has been open about giving tax breaks to these kinds of people. And I just can't see how that's right. I think the last labour government fucked up coming off the back of Iraq and the money spent there, which JC was against.
I just cannot fathom how people can vote for a party that has seen food banks and even babybanks rise ten fold. Even if you hate labour and Jeremy Corbyn you can still vote for a different party. The Tories told us to tighten our belts 9 years ago and why the fuck should that be the people at the bottom who already work hard. I work with the elderly and some of them live in dickensian conditions. No heating, no light in one house I went to. These are people who have paid taxes all their life. And where has their money gone ??? The Tories haven't sorted out anything. 9 years and people are still struggling. No opportunities to change their circumstances. If you vote Tory for another 5 years of what is hell for a lot families you're a fucking wanker. I'm not even a labour voter but I just cannot see misery for another 5 years

puds11 · 22/11/2019 07:52

I think the ideas behind the policies are good ideas, obviously I want people to have decent wages and places to live, I just don’t see how they can do it. It seems like cruel false promises simply to garner votes. How you can raise the minimum wage by almost £2 in one year without problems I don’t know!

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FOJeremy · 22/11/2019 07:27

*Labour want full state control

FOJeremy · 22/11/2019 07:26

Completely agree and it will bankrupt the country. Our want full state control which is why they want to nationalise everything on sight. You’d have to be mad and a bit thick to vote for them. I said it before on here. Labour will spend, spend, spend and then the tories will have to come in and sort out their mess and it’ll make them the ‘bad’ party with austerity measures.
It amazes me how voters don’t see this

eveningstarinthemorning · 22/11/2019 07:26

I’m not anti the minimum wage rising or the 5% for public sector workers - they’ve had a pay freeze for years.

I think free broadband and part nationalising BT is madness.

I’m concerned about the building of new homes, from an environmental point of view really.

Time will tell.