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Is Ed Miliband responsible for the state we are in?

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IdaBWells · 20/07/2019 19:02

By running against his brother for party leader, changing the rules to vote for Labour leadership (enabling Corbyn's rise) and refusing to support Cameron in Obama's desire to move into Syria I read an article that blamed Brexit and Trump on Ed. Is this reasonable to make one person responsible for so much?

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BIWI · 20/07/2019 19:26

FFS - why shouldn't he have run against his brother? Who says brothers can't compete against each other? Stupid assertion.

user1471453601 · 20/07/2019 19:25

Ffs, you can blame Labour for a lot of things (starting with , but not exclusive) to the Iraqi war.

If you really need to "blame" someone for the state we are in, start with Cameron, for being so weak as to hold the referendum ( in an attempt to circumvent Farages party of the day, to ensure the torries got back in), or May for deciding she needed her "red lines", or the Leave lot for telling outright lies (turkey are joining the EU and we will be inundated with immigrants, the 350 million lie, take your p ick).

But really? The brothers? I suspect it's a family tragedy, but it certainly isn't a national one

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IdaBWells · 20/07/2019 19:24

HappyDays but Ed's ambition and perhaps political dimness meant he was willing to be used by the Unions as MPs and Labour members had chosen David.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 20/07/2019 19:23

I broke a cup this morning - that was Ed's fault too!

I think you'll find that was Jeremy Corbyn the sneaky cup smashing marxist magic grandpa that he is Grin

CarolDanvers · 20/07/2019 19:22

I think he played his part yes. From the moment he "won" my stomach dropped. I knew labour would never get into power with him leading and here we are.

HappydaysArehere · 20/07/2019 19:21

I would blame the power of the unions before Ed. They wanted him because he is left of the party and they thought they could manipulate him. By changing the rules he allowed Corbyn to slide in and ruin the Labour Party.

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IdaBWells · 20/07/2019 19:19

Jsmith99 isn't the hijack permanent? How can the rules be changed again if a majority of party voters are happy with the outcome?

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PerkingFaintly · 20/07/2019 19:17

For those who don't remember those heady days:
www.markpack.org.uk/10144/it-was-nickcleggsfault/ Grin

Gosh, it's making me quite nostalgic to read an article which felt it had to explain newspapers were no longer the only opinion-making game in town...

PerkingFaintly · 20/07/2019 19:14

No no, it's all #nickcleggsfault. GrinGrinGrin

Jsmith99 · 20/07/2019 19:14

Ed isn’t responsible for Brexit. The Tories get 100% of the blame for that fiasco.

He is, however, to blame for Corbyn. His changes allowed Labour to be infiltrated by Trots who paid £3 per head to hijack the party and forcibly drag it to the fringes.

SaskiaRembrandt · 20/07/2019 19:13

I broke a cup this morning - that was Ed's fault too! People might doubt it but when a butterfly flaps it's wings ...

SaskiaRembrandt · 20/07/2019 19:10

Yes, it's entirely his fault. He was also responsible for the financial crash, last summer's heat wave, the Napoleonic Wars, the eruption of Krakatoa, and the failure of my tomato plants. We should think ourselves lucky he wasn't elected, he'd have wreaked even greater havoc if he'd actually had a modicum of power.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/07/2019 19:08

No, there's plenty of blame to go around - milliband isn't responsible for the long-standing problem of euroskeptics in the Conservative party, and all that stemmed from it, for instance.

But he certainly bears a share of the blame, in particular the horrible mess Labour is in which means we're stuck with increasingly extreme alternatives instead of the former more moderate ones.

electricmoogaloo · 20/07/2019 19:06

Completely reasonable, in some alternate universe, his brother became labour leader and then PM and we wouldn’t be suffering the ongoing Tory shit show.