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Who wants to join with me to vent about Corbyn?

58 replies

allthatmalarkey · 17/01/2019 20:19

Please come and commiserate with me, or better still, help me think of something we can do. Jeremy Corbyn and his faction are an abject failure as a progressive opposition. With the party hijacked by his devotees, it’s unlikely he will be replaced as leader regardless of how many elections he loses (for my explanation of the word hijacked see * below to save me posting further). The Greens (still too small) and the LibDems (too much baggage) are in no position to fill the vacuum. The SNP are the SNP.

Is there anything progressive voters can do? It feels wrong to ditch the Labour party after all the history and all the sacrifice people like my parents made for it, but is this the time to start a new party? For me, our politics have reached such a stalemate that we need parties who expect to be in coalition, know how to stay on good enough terms to do deals with opponents and to make compromises. I also feel that first past the post is way past its sell-by-date – Theresa May seems oblivious to the fact that she’s in minority government.

The Conservative party are in in meltdown. We have a national crisis. Despite this gift, Corbyn and co being ridiculous. I’m not looking for much, right now I just want a sensible outcome to the Brexit mess. To hear a Labour MP today pointing out that the leader of the Labour party was prepared to meet Hamas, Hezbollah, the Assad Regime and Iran without preconditions, but not the British prime minister underlined just how preposterous Corbyn and his puppetmasters are.

The Corbynites, their shameful anti-semitism (not my friends, but a member of my family and you can’t choose them), their discredited-forty-years-ago economics, their class-war prejudice just cannot draw broad support. Not to mention the equivocation about the EU.

So Mumsnet, if you’ve made it with me this far, what is to be done? And if you have no idea either, please feel free to use this thread to vent.

  • Hijacked: This just isn’t the Labour Party. I was brought up by Labour activists (I feel so sorry for my mum, after all her hard work). This is just not the Labour Party of the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, or 00s, the Labour party of Clement Attlee, Harold Wilson, Neil Kinnock, John Smith. I understand how people feel about Blair (I demonstrated against the invasion of Iraq in 2003) and Brown, but at least they were IN government and they did pursue progressive policies. They won three elections. The Labour party had never won two consecutive elections before.

The Corbyn lot used to be just a tiny faction, blamed for scuppering elections for the rest of the party time and again. God knows how Neil Kinnock must feel after battling Militant in the 80s (‘there can’t be a party within a party’). Momentum are an extremist movement which spotted an opportunity, stole a march on the mainstream Labour party and used C21st methods to stage a takeover. They just don’t represent the majority of Labour voters (or Labour MPs). My evidence for this is that Labour are neck and neck with the Tories in the polls, but Theresa May’s abysmal approval ratings are way above Jeremy Corbyn’s.

My second piece of evidence is from the 2017 general election. The reality is that Corbyn lost the last election, but it was hailed by his supporters as if it was a victory. Labour should have won this, but three weeks from the election date they were polling just 26/7%. Corby-supporting friends on Facebook were dismayed, they couldn’t understand it. The Labour vote only picked up when other progressive voters realised that a) at least Corbyn had pledged to get rid of tuition fees and b) they couldn’t face a TM coronation and hard Brexit. It wasn’t some moment of conversion to hard left politics.

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williteverend99 · 18/01/2019 14:14

He's exactly where he wants to be, leading the opposition.

But he is not leading, is he?

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 18/01/2019 14:11

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SisterOfDonFrancisco · 18/01/2019 14:08

We'd be having this conversation whoever the leader of labour was.

Bluntness100 · 18/01/2019 13:59

JC is absolutely desperate to get his feet under the table of number 10, and he will use any means possible to do so, including using Brexit as cover for it

Actually I think the problem labour supporters and party members face is he doesn't want to be prime minister, he knows he couldn't hack it. He's exactly where he wants to be, leading the opposition.

The man is seventy years old. He doesn't have the drive or desire to be prime minister and the enormous workload that entails. Never mind the emotional stress of constantly being attacked.

He doesn't want it. He wants what he has.

Klobluchar · 18/01/2019 13:56

Corbin has indeed forbidden his MPs to talk to the government, via text. You can see copies of it all over Twitter. Happily, the more sensible ones are ignoring it.

I will never, ever vote Tory. Ever. It goes against every belief I have ever held. But I’ll be fucked if I’m voting Labour whilst that useless twat is leader.

Fantababy · 18/01/2019 13:53

He's utterly pathetic. With a competent leader they'd be in power now but he doesn't appear to know what he wants, and if he does he certainly won't admit it to anyone. He won't give a straight answer to a straightforward question, which is the main reason why this antisemitism issue has rumbled on and on He doesn't want to be prime minister but is too bloody stubborn to back down.

Crustaceans · 18/01/2019 13:32

He’s just so utterly useless and incompetent. Honestly, he’s actually worse than Teresa May. She’s useless obviously and trying to lead a party that is disintegrating around her. There could not be a wider open goal for any opposition leader, whether competent or not, and still Corbyn cannot achieve anything at all.

It’s not biased reporting. He is objectively useless at leading a political party. The Labour Party might be more effectively led by a melon on a stick with a face drawn on it than Corbyn.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 18/01/2019 13:32

The 2nd anti Corbyn thread today how strange Hmm as I said in the other GF thread OOOOOOHHHHHH Jeremy Corbyn

Moussemoose · 18/01/2019 13:30

Corbyn is a socialist. Socialists and communists share a lot in common but one is not the other.

Lumpy76 · 18/01/2019 13:26

@walkingdeadfangirl I fear you are right!

Lumpy76 · 18/01/2019 13:24

@moussemoose Taken from the Financial Times...he’s a communist in all but name!
Mr Corbyn for many years wrote a regular column in Morning Star, the Socialist daily newspaper with close links to the party. (Its predecessor, The Daily Worker, was founded by the Communist Party of Great Britain in 1930.) He surprised guests at Morning Star’s Christmas party last year and, along with his inner circle, is said to be a regular reader.
Andrew Murray, one of the Labour leader’s advisers, was — until recently — a Communist party member. Seumas Milne, Mr Corbyn’s communications director, is also close to the party.

Trampire · 18/01/2019 12:22

Very probably Walking. There's no answer to that. It's just deadlock.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 18/01/2019 12:16

But even if by some miracle labour managed to get rid of Corbyn, Momentum would install another far left extremist. There is no going back to the centre!

Trampire · 18/01/2019 12:03

Indeed, a no-deal can't just be 'off the table'

As someone said on question time last night - "if you were buying a car or a house would you open the negotiations by saying 'before we begin I want to let you that whatever happens I will most definitely will not be walking away and I WILL buy no matter what'. Do you think you'd get s good deal in those circumstances?"

Nobody wants a no-deal. No-one. But no-deal is a default setting fur not agreeing a deal.

I think Corbyn is being ridiculous.

I'm a floating voter too. Very much a centrist. Every week I live in hope that Labour might wake up and change their leader.

Moussemoose · 18/01/2019 11:58

Lumpy76 I don't like Corbyn. I'm no Corbyn apologist but he is not a communist.

I don't actually think communist is an insult, it's a political designation and Corbyn is a socialist.

Amateurish · 18/01/2019 11:56

You can't "rule out" a no deal. No deal is what happens when Parliament does not approve a deal. By refusing to cooperate with the Government and compromising on a deal acceptable to all parties, Corbyn is making a "no deal" inevitable.

noblegiraffe · 18/01/2019 11:54

That letter says Labour has set out a clear framework for a deal - have they? What’s their position in freedom of movement?

SisterOfDonFrancisco · 18/01/2019 11:53

I'm fairly sure global warming is corbyns fault as well.

CallMeSirShotsFired · 18/01/2019 11:47

JC is absolutely desperate to get his feet under the table of number 10, and he will use any means possible to do so, including using Brexit as cover for it.

He doesn't give a shiny shit about the actual issue, nor does he have the means ability, gravitas or standing to get any form of "better deal" despite what he keeps bleating. He is 100% for himself.

It's come to a sorry state when the current rubbish is an order of magnitude better than the irrecoverable shitshow that would be a Corbyn/Abbot/McConnell government would bring us.

DarkDarkNight · 18/01/2019 11:43

He hasn’t forbidden his Party to hold talks, he has ruled out talks about a No-deal Brexit which he has every right to do.

Has there ever been a Politician who has had more biased reporting against him? All I see is a decent man who has always held firm with his principles. Utterly terrifying to the Tory party and the Media. Really bored of the anti-Semite label from the right-wing press.

The Tories don’t need Jeremy Corbyn’s help, they’re making an omnishambles of this all on their own.

Who wants to join with me to vent about Corbyn?
Who wants to join with me to vent about Corbyn?
Lumpy76 · 18/01/2019 11:32

Corbyn is a communist and is a deeply unpleasant person. The Labour Party should get rid of him ASAP. I don’t think that the majority of corbynistas actually know what and who he is!

If he were to get into power I (along with my family - dh and children) would emigrate. I have voted labour in the past fwiw so I’m not some hardened Tory!! My political views are centrist.

sherrysfortea · 18/01/2019 11:29

I wish he would just stand up as a proper opposition should do and show some real leadership skills. The conservatives are in absolute shambles and this should be an opportune moment for his party, but no. He's just shown himself as a spineless and self serving weasel.

I wish they could have someone competent as their leader, I currently have no idea how I would vote in a general election and have always been a labour supporter.

The only thing that people can do is write to MPs if you live in a labour constituency? Maybe? But if it's clear his whole party is against them it makes them appear just as shambolic as the conservatives. What a fuck up.

SisterOfDonFrancisco · 18/01/2019 11:25

Happy, you weren't forced to vote tories, you chose to out of free will as is your right.

HappydaysArehere · 18/01/2019 10:26

Oh! Goodness. You are so right. I don’t know what to add except to say that allthatmalarky has completely reiterated my thoughts. I am heartbroken about how the Labour Party has been hijacked by the looney left. I was forced to vote Tory in the last election and that was a first! Now Corbyn won’t even discuss the Brexit mess and it is easy to see why. He hasn’t anything to offer except hot air and a demand for another election. He was never going to support the government, not even if the deal was gold plated. I weep for the Labour Party but am unconsolable for our country.

butterfly56 · 18/01/2019 10:11

Labour have no chance of ever being voted back in with this numpty in charge!
As my gran used to say.... "Put his brain in a budgie and it'll fly backwards"!! Grin

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