How do you think Brexit is going?

Monumental fuck up of enormous proportions.......and that's an understatement

Is it going?

It's shit.

It’s a fucking disaster.

I have signed the change.org petition called final say..we really need to have a say in the final Brexit deal!

Use of a 50% threshold was wrong for a referendum - all the nations that have referendums in their constitutions use figures like 2/3 or 70% - they do this to ensure that if they go ahead with change there will be

1. An unarguable and clear mandate for change from the voters.
2. A valid majority so that the risks of the change are properly accepted by the electorate.

Our Brexit result satisfies neither of these criteria. The result was really a "hung jury" and we should not be proceeding with Brexit.

The BIG failure is that our MPs, our elected representatives, haven't got the wit to see this. Look at Wikipedia about supermajority and referendums etc.

We got into this mess because Britain has failed over many years to USE the EU like the other counties do. We just look for our own advantage. We are not team players. Result is that we will be USA's poodle more than ever. Read the conclusion in the book "How to lose a referendum" by Farrell and Goldsmith.

I am an EU citizen, BrittW. Can you tell me what you hate about me most? That I have never needed hospital services because I am youngish and able? I needed JSA a few times because I have been treated bad since I have been here and I have not yet learnt to shut up and squeak and mew and smile about it.

The referendum was rigged

It's a shitstorm, as many of us guessed it would be. A complete and utter mess.

If I was the rest of the EU I would be very very pissued off with us by now. So much time wasted dealing with the British government who, in the immortal words of Malcom Tucker, are "about as much use as a marzipan dildo."

David Davis resigned because apparently he was being frozen out/sidelined

No BritW - Davis was given the job of negotiating a deal. Probably because he said it would be the easiest negotiation in the world for him, countries would be lining up to do trade deals with us etc etc.. He has been found wanting. He was never able to grasp the detail, lied about doing the detailed assessments he should have done and did nothing but bluster and giggle when he couldn’t give an answer. He completely failed at the job he was given.

OP. It’s going badly, it couldn’t be going worse.

Oh dear, BrittW. No understanding whatsoever.

To be called mendacious by a Useful Idiot is not so much an insult as a confirmation that they continue to walk among us. They have eyes but cannot see ..... and all that.

It’s difficult to imagine how it could possibly be going worse.

The government is a complete dysfunctional shambles, and is now falling apart. Theresa May is likely to face a leadership challenge, which will almost certainly result in open civil war in the Tory party, which may well split.

The opposition's Brexit policy very similar to that of the government, which at least 90% of Labour MPs believe will be a disaster for the country. Most of those same Labour MPs represent constituencies which voted Leave, however, so they feel they have to support Brexit.

The civil service are making a complete mess of negotiations with the EU, probably deliberately as they are opposed to Brexit.

Apart from that, it’s all going great .

BrittW, you know that it's Theresa, not Treeza.

But then again you do seem a bit mendacious about many things.

I think it’s going as well as it possibly can - ie omishambles

No need for name calling. I think it's better to listen to each other's concerns.

But I guess we are all in agreement that it's currently a bit of a balls up...

probably know rather more about politics, economics, the EU, Brexit etc. than you do. Maybe you do but seeing as I don't get involved in political debate on here I don't know what you are basing your assumption on.

David Davis resigned because apparently he was being frozen out/sidelined. It is said that Treeza took a draft of the proposal to show to Merkel before she discussed it with her cabinet. Don't know if that's true, but if it is .....

Those who voted Leave voted that way for two main things: curb EU immigration and regain governance over our justice system. The Freedom of Movement of mostly MENA immigrants with European passports is the biggest challenge to us in terms of space and services.

It's not clear whether this will continue, but I think it will because there's so much pressure on Treeza to please as many factions as possible.

But what we have today is mostly not having an ace negotiator, someone who has spent years neg. for big stakes at high level. The fear-mongering shifted the powerbase away from GB. A micro example - If you phone up Virgin Media to give notice that you are leaving them and they start to say that you will never find a better deal anywhere else, and if you leave now you cannot return to us in the future, what are you going to do? Stay because of the threat, or get out now.

JaneJeffer I voted out, and I would again. I'm not a clueless idiot and probably know rather more about politics, economics, the EU, Brexit etc. than you do.

I won't be rude about you for not sharing my opinion because I'm too grown up for that. Perhaps you could consider following my example.

The clueless idiots are in the House of Commons, Jane.

It doesn't matter which way the referendum went. Like it or not, this is a democracy and the majority vote is the one which stands. MP's are then charged with putting that into practice. They are the ones who are cocking it up.

Doesn't seem to be going too well at the moment .

I feel very sorry for the people who didn't want it but were voted out by clueless idiots.

The word 'shambles' doesn't quite cover it.

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