Please can someone explain? Will we pay if we leave EU without a deal?

You have not give answers, yours are maybe's and perhaps .

So, if the outlook for Brexit was so positive, why did the Leave campaign need to resort to lies to persuade people. Because nothing truthful was sufficiently palatable?

ha ha

WE HAVE GIVEN ANSWERS. YOU REFUSE TO LISTEN.

THE OUTCOMES ARE ALL BAD EXCEPT IF WE REMAIN IN THE SM/CU.

GET IT?

@mummmy2017

It's not a list of whatabouts but a daunting list of issues to be addressed with ONLY downsides in terms of their POSSIBLE OUTCOMES.

This is based on analysis not some randomised HOPE FUNCTION.

It is a FACT that TRADE BARRIERS WILL GO UP AFTER BREXIT. THIS WILL NOT BE GOOD FOR TRADE. Not matter what you may hope for.

And the REASONS WHY THIS IS NOT GOOD HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED. THEY WILL NOT GO AWAY BECAUSE MUMMMY2017 SAYS SO BECAUSE IT'S HOW THE WORLD WORKS!!

You give no answers

@AgnesSkinner

Here's Sir Ivan testifying at a Treasury Committee meeting. He's really very good. No rubbish out of him.Agree.

IVAN THE TERRIBLE

I don't respect your view point, because it's not a view point it's just a list of what abouts, with no answers ever posted.

Eh? Either we're reading different posts or they're not the answers you're looking for

MPs are just figureheads

Except they are doing an excellent job of ignoring advice from their civil servants, Sir Ivan Rogers being a case in point.

I don't respect your view point, because it's not a view point it's just a list of what abouts, with no answers ever posted.

@mummmy2017

Here you go again FFS.

How do you think the EU’s budgets get approved. Go on. Tell us.

@mummmy2017

Wait so we have knuckleheads as MPs and you trust things are gonna be ok?

I am not of the laissez faire type. My MPs need to be telling me why they are doing the things they are doing and why that is going to raise my standard of living

If they can’t or won’t then they need to get out.

The incompetence in Westminster these days is staggering. There are few in that lot with any redeeming features. If you’re happy to sign your future over to them I’m not.

Refusing to write a blank cheque to the EU, maybe they do know something and are not willing to show their hand YET.

I love how when you have you have nothing, you just keep pointing to problems, that your worried about, and since you KNOW so much, just when do you think there will be a knock on the door from the PM, so you can impart your knowledge...

Nah Olivia I'm still frustrated. The difference is I live somewhere with excellent, reasonably priced wine, which does help me contain some of my frustration.

I do admire how you manage to construct coherent and reasoned arguments without resorting to expletives in the face of such - er - viewpoints. I'm afraid after a certain number of viewpoints I become an apoplectic mess.

You do know the MP's are just figureheads, that most are like the chairman of the department who gets given the facts and figures by the backroom staff who do understand how things work, these people don't' change with each government, they continue to work the figures, they sort out if the policy's can be workable, and advice how to implement what ever bollocks the latest party want to impart....

Hence why when a new party takes over they sometimes find they have ideas that are unworkable..

@Melassa

I think people like @mummmy2017 live in another world. One where mutually exclusive things aren’t. And where problems are easy to resolve.

One of my favourite incoherences is the NI border. It’s amazing how there will be no border between NI and the Republic. No border between NI and GB. But the UK will be out of the Customs Union.

Now that’s a square circle. Go figure. In mathematics there are different spaces in topology that are odd in many ways. Perhaps I just need to contort my brain more

Unlike you I have still not learned not to be frustrated by the lack of evidence in Brexiter dialogue.

But Mummy the people sorting Brexit have no idea either, which is really quite concerning.

Alas I do not have blind belief in my "betters", and so far they have given no demonstration of actually being "better".

Mummy, surely you voted for Brexit to see specific changes take place? Now it appears the cross your fingers approach is fine. That is no way to run a country or an economy playing fast and loose with peoples lives.

Exactly drwitch, just like the black market that thrived in wartime and the communist bloc. Only some people will benefit and not the best type of person...

Melassa we all have no idea, as we are NOT the people sorting Brexit, we are all just normal people, your views are just that your views, the same with my views.
However I have accepted we are leaving, and that each problem will have to be solved and sorted on Merit...

It's not feelings in my waters, it's accepting the reality in front of me. Such a shame that;s such a hard concept for some people to accept.

Yes Olivia I'm increasingly appalled at the paucity of talent in the UK political class. They really have no clue! Yet many of these people had the best education money could buy. One wonders if indeed it was "bought", as most appear to have sailed through university without any attempt at critical thought.

I thought we'd reached a nadir with Berlusconi, but this lot in Westminster are far worse as not only are they clueless but they're arrogant to boot.

Solutions will be found but doing so will divert people and capital from doing useful things. Also the solutions may involve driving activities underground and creating the environment on which corruption and protection rackets can theive

Agreed Olivia, I do give up, there is no point engaging. I was taught to evaluate both sides of the argument, but based on facts and not "feelings in my water."

No I am saying there will be problems, but as each arises there will be solutions found, simply because someone will see a profit to be made, and find a way.

This is the way commerce has always worked.

By being so deep in the gloom as you are, never seeing any good in anything, god forbid there is any good to come from Brexit, as it spoils your argument.

@Melassa

You do realise our entire political elite is just as informed as mummmy about trade?

If you have a chance find the Parliament session with Simon Lowe to the Brexit Committee on Parliament tv. It shows how little we know. Myself included.