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Please can someone explain? Will we pay if we leave EU without a deal?

580 replies

HappydaysArehere · 17/10/2017 19:53

With all this talk of billions of pounds which we are supposed to owe if we leave and talk of continuing to pay after we leave, I am in the dark. If we walk away with no deal will we pay anything like the amounts talked about? If we are able to do that surely the EU will be big losers as well as us! I am at a loss. Grateful for your input as I am bewildered. I voted to remain but must say the shenanigans being played by the EU are showing them as more like the Mafia than a democratic institution.

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M4Dad · 24/10/2017 11:51

We now live in an alternative reality where in a divorce shared assets are not considered part of the settlement and the UK contributed nothing to the liberation and peace of Europe, twice.

Happy days.

M4Dad · 24/10/2017 11:47

in terms of the UK the BoB was an outstanding contribution that probably saved the UK from Operation Sea lion

Yeah, that's what I said

Moussemoose · 24/10/2017 11:44

M4Dad

It's like you people don't remember the BoB at all?

What extremely unpleasant thing to say based on no evidence on that topic at all. Hmmmm seems like there is a trend.

Make a sweeping statement about what other people think with a total inability to back that statement up.

The BoB was an extremely important element, however, compared to an event like Stalingrad contextually it is not as influential on a European scale.

In terms of the UK the BoB was an outstanding contribution that probably saved the UK from Operation Sea lion.

M4Dad · 24/10/2017 11:41

You don't appear to know the contribution of the UK for starting WW1, and the fuck all they did to end it. Liberators of Europe my fucking arse!

Why are you so sweary?

Yeah, the commonwealth lost millions of men, "fuck" all to do with ending it?

Did you become a Marxist in University?

TwattyCatty · 24/10/2017 11:36

On the flipside you appear to have no idea of the contribution to the liberation of Europe from the UK

You don't appear to know the contribution of the UK for starting WW1, and the fuck all they did to end it. Liberators of Europe my fucking arse!

M4Dad · 24/10/2017 11:35

It's like you people don't remember the BoB at all? If we weren't victorious then, the UK would have fallen, thus there would have be no point to launch the liberation of Europe from and as such you'd probably all be speaking German or Russian today.

M4Dad · 24/10/2017 11:32

Have you forgotten already? time for a lie down and a cup of tea mate

You will have to reiterate your comments as I don't believe I made any, oh, and I am not your mate

M4Dad · 24/10/2017 11:31

13 years in the RAF and you don't know about the extent of the Soviet input on WW2

On the flipside you appear to have no idea of the contribution to the liberation of Europe from the UK.

DumbledoresApprentice · 24/10/2017 11:30

The Soviets won the war in the sense that it was their entry into the war on the allied side (not that of Britain or the US, whatever English-language movies might want us to believe) that was the most decisive factor in the outcome of the war. The idea that we could have won without them is laughable. The Americans didn’t even have enough troops in Asia at the end of the war to occupy the territory that the Japanese had held. The Russians getting to Korea first stored up trouble that we’re still dealing with now.
We weren’t white knights swooping in and saving Europe. We signed away Czechoslovakian land to the Germans and allowed them to keep it despite it not being ours to give away. Telling a Czech that we bailed them out during World War Two is unbelievably offensive.

M4Dad · 24/10/2017 11:28

Oh pls also include off balance sheet / contingent liabilities

I was asked to provide a link for my statement regarding assets, which I have, if you require anything else then feel free to look for it yourself.

TwattyCatty · 24/10/2017 11:28

Have you forgotten already? time for a lie down and a cup of tea mate.

Moussemoose · 24/10/2017 11:27

M4Dad

13 years in the RAF and you don't know about the extent of the Soviet input on WW2.....Shock

M4Dad · 24/10/2017 11:27

given your earlier bizarre and inane statements

Which were?

M4Dad · 24/10/2017 11:26

Olivia

www.businessinsider.com/uk-bid-for-a-share-of-eus-150-billion-in-assets-post-brexit-2017-2?r=UK&IR=T - but it's actually the Telegraph's info.

OliviaD68 · 24/10/2017 11:26

@M4Dad

Oh pls also include off balance sheet / contingent liabilities...

Moussemoose · 24/10/2017 11:26

M4Dad

The Allies won WW2, of which the Soviets were a part. Let me guess, you're one of those people that think the French free forces actually liberated France?

No I'm one of those people who know something. No I don't think the Free f
Forces liberated France and I'm not going to derail the thread but you need to trot off and research the impact of Barbarossa.

TwattyCatty · 24/10/2017 11:25

Doesn't appear to have taught you anything much, no, given your earlier bizarre and inane statements.

M4Dad · 24/10/2017 11:24

There is a bit more to it than that, not that you would know clearly

Of course not

I take it my 13 years in the Royal Air Force didn't cover any military history at all, ever.

OliviaD68 · 24/10/2017 11:23

@M4Dad

And liabilities?

OliviaD68 · 24/10/2017 11:22

@M4Dad

Thanks. Source?

M4Dad · 24/10/2017 11:22

The Soviets won WW2 not us

The Allies won WW2, of which the Soviets were a part. Let me guess, you're one of those people that think the French free forces actually liberated France?

M4Dad · 24/10/2017 11:20

Olivia

Cash — €21.7 billion.
Property — €8.7 billion.
Saleable financial assets — €9.6 billion.
Money in EU budget contributions that have not been paid by member states — €10.4 billion.
Money that was contributed to projects that may not be completed — €45.2 billion.
Repayable loans to member states — €56 billion.

specialsubject · 24/10/2017 11:20

oh well, a page of reasoned debate before descending into abuse is quite good for this subject.

and people wonder why no-one is talking about it...

as I understand it, Article 50 is extremely skinny in its definition of what happens. Same as the referendum was. Hence years of argument afterwards.

very sad - the baby is going out with the bathwater because there was no interest in discussion before this nuclear option.

Moussemoose · 24/10/2017 11:20

We "bailed Europe" out of WW1 Shock

Hahahahahahahahaha

The Soviets won WW2 not us.

That pathetic, historically illiterate comment harking back to a non existent past sums up Brexit thinking.

Itwillbefine1 · 24/10/2017 11:18

In the last quarter the only EU countries to outperform the UK in terms of growth were Sweden, France and Spain (with Spain starting from very near the bottom)

And Germany, and Austria, and Ireland, and Canada, and USA - all in your linked article.
It also points out that this is the 2nd quarter of poor growth for the UK.