Labour’s u-turn on supporting the Brexit Referendum result.

Looking good for remain Labour

@theasaurass - grateful for your exposition of labour failings - any chance you could expound on what the tories plan to do - and perhaps their successes over their time in office?

Imablackstar, I wonder if Ruth Cadbury, Andy Slaughter and Catherine West agree with you. They lost their jobs over JCs demand that the Party were not to support a 'soft brexit' and maintain access to the single market....

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/five-shadow-ministers-forced-to-quit-corbyn-shadow-team-after-voting-soft-brexitukk_59552c3ce4b02734df30af9f

(Huff post just for variance

Labour are not in power and seem to be will to prostitute their own party.

That makes you come across as some kind of Paul Nuttall figure.

Thea, Im not so much defending you, as defending your right to post. Personally, I think youre holding your own
Readers always have the choice to sweep on by (I do with loads of posters who simply wish to tie you up on irrelevancies and goady noise) just as they have the choice to hide threads.
Complaining that a poster hasnt laid out a witty grammatically correct viewpoint, shouldnt detract from the very pertinent points made. And you do make very pertinent and correct points.

I also see U turns as a sign that Labour are listening to people, who are justifiably nervous about leaving customs union/single market. A U turn doesn't necessarily indicate a lack of judgement.

Thea how is the opposition shifting its stance 'a huge constitutional event'? Total exaggeration, and nothing to do with the constitution.

Student Debt, was a U TURN.

Argue all you like about that.
Single Market,, U turn.
Labour are not in power and seem to be will to prostitute their own party.

JC and Keir Starmer have always said a labour Brexit would put the common market and customs union as a top priority in negotiations. There is no U turn - just a stronger message which the membership have been calling for. The Tories are the U Turn party - never forget it!!

Claig was utterly Trump focussed. (I miss her, as well as her 'teh's) Theas writing style is nothing like Claigs, and anyone who spent a couple of weeks on a thread with Claig knows her style. She was harangued, ridiculed, targeted and mocked relentlessly for months and months. (She was also funny and insightful) Whilst MN were taking the piss out of Trump ever becoming President, she was proven time and time again, to be right.

Being right on here has a nasty habit of being silenced.

It really isn't a writing style thing.

Claig, who wrote in an uncannily similar style to OP, hijacked the Brexit debate on here and saw off most of the posters on his/her threads with convoluted references to, well, I don't know what, because his/her point was always lost in the sheer volume of words and formatting.

I've actually got very little to say about Brexit, apart from 'not my circus/monkeys' (although, sadly, the circus is draining the country's political resources and civil service).

"Disagreeing with Brexit, austerity, Trump, the dismantling of the NHS etc. does not make one a loony, a do-gooder, a bleeding heart liberal or otherwise."

No, but youre not 'disagreeing', youre outrageously accusing and reporting posters as shills in an attempt to censor. (Because you dont like their writing style?)

I think one of the actual aims of these sorts of poster is to make social media spaces such as the Politics section of MN just unusable by normal people.

Absolutely. And it works.

"We are demanding that big organisations with the financial means to do so are prevented from infiltrating public forums and skewing debate."

Id absolutely agree with that Yoko. So why is the shill accusation thrown out at me ( or the OP) who clearly are nothing more than an opposing view? We're demanded on here (MN), to put up our reasoning behind our views, and then called shills for doing so and accused of posting so called 'verbiage'?

The OP gets told regularly shes wrong. I utterly understand why she responds as she does.

That was really well put YokoReturns.

PS I am NOT a member of the 'alt-left' (the term alt-right is bad enough, just call them fascists; alt-left is just a made-up term for those that disagree). Disagreeing with Brexit, austerity, Trump, the dismantling of the NHS etc. does not make one a loony, a do-gooder, a bleeding heart liberal or otherwise.

caroline we are demanding the opposite of censorship. We are demanding that big organisations with the financial means to do so are prevented from infiltrating public forums and skewing debate.

It is incredibly tiresome to spot a thread title and think, 'ah, I'll bet my house that post will feature bold type, underlining, and chunks of meaningless verbiage under the guise of incontrovertible fact'.

Good grief. Thea starts a thread about Labour U-turning on their single market policy, on the day they announced their u-turn on the single market, and you lot report it as 'shilling', because she points out that Labour have u-turned on the single market and provides all her reasoning to back up that view.

You may find this piece from Patrick West insightful as to what you guys are doing here. Whether MN supports your demand for censorship on opposing views (I too have the nasty unpalatable habit of backing up posts with factual evidence) we can only wait and see.

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-alt-left-toy-smashing-tosspots/20243

It's so much worse than 'ordinary' spaming, torlling, GF-ing because it is a conscious practice of destroying communicative space, through a kind of organised, deliberate vandalism - using methods imported from oppressive regimes with a history of silencing dissidents (China, Russia).

It's a kind of torturous, insidious censorship.

I hate it.

I know I'm not the most brilliant of posters but ...

Misti I really think we have to fight it. I think one of the actual aims of these sorts of poster is to make social media spaces such as the Politics section of MN just unusable by normal people.

This problem has pretty much killed the politics forum on MN. Look at recent threads; one poster basically spams the life out of them until people give up replying.

elvira I've complained to MNHQ extensively about the shills/sock puppets starting these threads. They disappeared for about three weeks and are now back with a vengeance (summer holiday? Slap on the wrist?).

LOL Ohtoblazes. On the verge of nuclear war abroad, and civil war at home, you head to the politics forum for your daily shits and giggles..... That is indeed funny.

I am a proud shill for cat welfare.