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Labour’s u-turn on supporting the Brexit Referendum result.

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TheaSaurass · 27/08/2017 02:51

Can anyone believe a policy this party campaigns on for votes at a general election?

Media supporters may call it a ‘shift’, but it’s a honking great u-turn, as weeks ago Corbyn on a Sunday political programme was asked to clarify Labour’s actual position (as attracted Leave and Remain votes at the last election) and he stated that Labour's position was that the UK WAS leaving the Single Market, otherwise we wouldn't be leaving.

And while the man currently setting Labour policy Keir Starmer says the time for “constructive ambiguity” is over this totally undermines the government’s position ahead of EU negotiations resuming next week.

Instead of getting on with Brexit, Labour will only support a transitional period from 2021 to 2023 (leaving open the option to stay in for good), so while May did not get the election result she wanted, who can say she wasn’t right not to trust a parliamentary Labour Party pretending they supported Brexit, to get government legislation through parliament.

Clearly they NOW feel there are more votes for leaving the question if we leave the EU, open.

“Labour makes dramatic shift on Brexit and single market”

”Labour is to announce a dramatic policy shift by backing continued membership of the EU single market beyond March 2019, when Britain leaves the EU, establishing a clear dividing line with the Tories on Brexit for the first time.”

”In a move that positions it decisively as the party of “soft Brexit”, Labour will support full participation in the single market and customs union during a lengthy “transitional period” that it believes could last between two and four years after the day of departure, it is to announce on Sunday.”

”This will mean that under a Labour government the UK would continue to abide by the EU’s free movement rules, accept the jurisdiction of the European court of justice on trade and economic issues, and pay into the EU budget for a period of years after Brexit, in the hope of lessening the shock of leaving to the UK economy. In a further move that will delight many pro-EU Labour backers, Jeremy Corbyn’s party will also leave open the option of the UK remaining a member of the customs union and single market for good, beyond the end of the transitional period.”

”The decision to stay inside the single market and abide by all EU rules during the transitional period, and possibly beyond, was agreed after a week of intense discussion at the top of the party. It was signed off by the leadership and key members of the shadow cabinet on Thursday, according to Starmer’s office.”

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Ta1kinPeece · 08/09/2017 12:10

So you really do think the EU farmers will willingly give up on selling fresh goods to the UK
You do know that a lot of the farms in Spain etc are UK owned don't you ....
Thanet Earth own tomato farms all over Europe and will move production / sales in a matter of weeks to match the orders and available staff

If iceberg lettuces for the UK are no longer profitable, they will just plant something else for another market

The UK is really not very special, despite what Brexiteers think

mummmy2017 · 08/09/2017 09:27

So you really do think the EU farmers will willingly give up on selling fresh goods to the UK. As well as all the canned goods, and frozen goods and bottle goods.
Well that's ok then isn't it.

Peregrina · 08/09/2017 09:22

Undoubtedly, new markets for produce will have to be found, and possibly new suppliers of parts, but each one will have 26 other countries to choose from. Plus the markets which will have emerged as E Europe shook off Communism. And then, the Germans at least are making plans - not sitting round shouting out meaningless soundbites.

mummmy2017 · 08/09/2017 08:31

Can you tell me, what things are going to cause problem in the EU once we leave, as anything mentioned you say won't effect them.
They will have a food mountain, and yet your saying it can be sold to the remaining 27, as if there will be no problems for the EU.

LineysRun · 08/09/2017 06:27

I think Keir Starmer has had the measure of Theresa May for a long time. I don't expect much to backfire on him.

mathanxiety · 08/09/2017 05:50

How could it backfire on Labour? It clearly reflects a good deal of regret on the part of people who voted Leave in the referendum. Labour has far more grassroots members than the Conservative Party does and clearly they have been making their voices heard. A lot of people are not stupid enough to believe that leaving the EU is the greatest idea since sliced bread.

MissBabbs · 07/09/2017 04:51

Hopefully this will backfire on Labour like Nicola Sturgeons second referendum idea in Scotland. People really aren't stupid.

mathanxiety · 07/09/2017 04:11

Spain and other producers of perishable items will find other markets for food. They are not bound to only trade with the EU, you know. (This is a fact that many Brexit voters are not aware of).

And of course, when you are not sure your tomatoes are going to make it to Dover, you simply switch to some other crop, or the tomatoes can be processed into canned products. It's all greenhouse growing - might as well grow cabbage that gets turned into slaw and sold in Poland and Belarus, or green beans that can be frozen and shipped to South Africa...

mummmy2017 · 05/09/2017 17:18

This is only your perception of what will happen.
The EU as you keep stating looks after it's own members, this WILL effect their own members.

Theworldisfullofidiots · 05/09/2017 17:12

Either way no more imports then. No one will want to do business with us.
Rotting in fields for lack of pickers or rotting in customs. Glad I have an allotment.

mummmy2017 · 05/09/2017 16:40

Having worked for someone who supplied Morrisons Fruit and Veg, yes it was a case of no goods in the warehouse, no pay....
The deal was we supplied them X amount of goods, not they paid for it while still in Transit...

Theworldisfullofidiots · 05/09/2017 16:34

It's not cash on delivery mummy. That's not how business works. Bring held up in customs is not the same as not being delivered.

mummmy2017 · 05/09/2017 13:42

We will be the 4th biggest customer for the EU.
If there goods don't get delivered, they won't be paid for.
Just what do you think the countries who have lost out on selling food to the UK are going to do with it all? Maybe Poland will buy it all.

Curtainsider · 05/09/2017 09:46

Let's agree that EU will act politically (because let's face it: far more massive than the painted bus was the confidence trick that we was played by the UK politicians of the 70s talking of the EEC as an economic enterprise!)

mathanxiety · 04/09/2017 22:51

The EU will end up saying either stay all the way in or stay all the way out.

Businesses in Germany in particular have put up with Russian sanctions that cut into their trade, and have survived. German businesses and the taxpaying public have also put up with the Greek/Portuguese/Spanish/Irish bailout and have weathered that storm too.

There is no alternative to the EU for businesses and agriculture all over the EU. Without the EU, businesses and farmers and food processors in Hungary, Poland, Belgium, Ireland, Netherlands, France, Italy, etc., etc., would be devoured whole by China and the US. If it comes to a choice between maintaining the integrity of the EU and the ideal of integration and saving the arses of Theresa May and her cronies, they will choose the EU every single time.

Curtainsider · 04/09/2017 21:54

My tuppence worth is that it would not be in either sides interest.

Businesses want to trade. Issues will occur and may be painful at times however there will be a wish on both sides to solve them.

If the EU leaders do wish to punish the uk for political ends then they will face also their own exporters.

mathanxiety · 04/09/2017 21:31

god forbid that something good rear it's head, the bogeyman will give you a heart attack.

God forbid that something bad should rear its head because that would be too much for the Brexit bubble dwellers to bear. Hence all the nonsense about 'talking Britain down', etc, as if holding your breath and your nose and putting a blindfold over your eyes, and wishing really, really hard, with fingers and toes all crossed and a pinch of salt thrown behind your left shoulder will make everything perfectly hunky dory in the end.

What are your thoughts on the prospect of food on its way to British supermarkets rotting in Calais?

TheElementsSong · 04/09/2017 16:30

"it will work out right because we say it will work out".

I might be persuaded to have a little more (as they urge) faith in this, if they could even agree amongst themselves on what "working out" and "right" means.

Peregrina · 04/09/2017 14:47

talking Britain down
We all know the born pessimists who, whenever anything is proposed, immediately say, "you can't do that". That is talking down. There is a world of difference between them and people who say, "There is a problem, a solution worth trying would be....", which is being IMO a realist. I can't say I have seen any of these in May's Government. And then there are those, like May's stooges who are in cloud cuckoo land, and say "it will work out right because we say it will work out".

LineysRun · 04/09/2017 14:09

Just because Theresa May isn't the biggest fucking idiot in the world doesn't mean she's not an absolute liability regarding the British national interest.

YokoReturns · 04/09/2017 13:51

talking Britain down

This surely is the worst of all the Leavers' arguments, that if we somehow 'talk Britain up' in negotiations, the media etc. then success in Brexit will naturally follow.

We don't even know what we want from negotiations, so how can we possibly be ruining our chances for a successful Brexit by making (probably quite accurate) predictions?

TheElementsSong · 04/09/2017 10:18

Sainsbury’s CEO warns post-Brexit rules could leave food rotting at UK border

Pah what does he know he doesn't have a crystal ball he just needs to believe that everything will be great and it will happen or else he is talking Britain down

woman12345 · 04/09/2017 07:02

Sainsbury’s CEO warns post-Brexit rules could leave food rotting at UK border

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sainsburys-ceo-mike-coupe-brexit-food-eu-goods-uk-border-a7927606.html

user1481838270 · 03/09/2017 23:40

Oh dear.

As centuries of dictators have known, an illiterate crowd is the easiest to rule.

mummmy2017 · 03/09/2017 23:29

Math's you can post as many links as you like, I did read it, and there are plus as well as minus in the article, but hell don't let that ever impinge on your view and need for Brexit to fail.... god forbid that something good rear it's head, the bogeyman will give you a heart attack.