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can you be a Corbyn supporter and a remainer?

37 replies

lucydogz · 10/06/2017 12:58

Corbyn has obviously run a popular campaign, partly because he encourages young non-voters to get off their arses and vote. Wouldn't it have been wonderful if he'd done the same for the Referendum campaign, instead of being almost invisable, and very lukewarm when he spoke about the EU?

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MissionItsPossible · 30/06/2017 14:38

The ironic thing is that Jeremy Corbyn has hated the EU for ages and only half-heartedly campaigned to Remain whereas Theresa May was a Remainer but stayed quiet during the referendum for her own political gain. IF Jeremy Corbyn had won, I'd imagine he'd be much tougher with negotiations than Theresa and would be much more inclined to walk away with no deal.

lucydogz · 27/06/2017 17:20

amen to that Cake

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TheCunkOfPhilomena · 27/06/2017 17:12

Ah lucy, that's amazing!
Without wanting to sound ridiculous this really is a time for everyone to be working together. Way too much has happened here (and around the world) for us to all fall out. Here's to listening to and respecting each other! Wine

lucydogz · 27/06/2017 17:03

you know cunk, I think I'm going to do a very un-MN thing and say you're right. Corbyn's role does still annoy me, but there is lots of other stuff to get annoyed at. Thank you for the gentle poke. Smile

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Baalam · 27/06/2017 15:08

It's quite illogical to support Corbyns labour and feel passionately that you want to remain in the EU. He has never made a secret of his desire to leave the EU and the hard left in his party also hate it. And he went on holiday during the referendum campaign which I can't forgive him for.

But this election hadn't been at all logical so perhaps it doesn't matter to people.

TheCunkOfPhilomena · 27/06/2017 15:06

The 123 appearances reference comes from this report by Loughborough University.

TheCunkOfPhilomena · 27/06/2017 15:04

Not going to slag anyone off, Alan Johnson has admitted he was wrong about Corbyn and I'm glad to see so many of those that are more to the right of the party admit they were wrong. Corbyn never gave 100%, unreserved, support to the EU because he was honest about its faults - that resonated with people like me because hearing someone say the EU is fantastic and above reproach is wrong to me. I wanted a more grown-up discussion about the rights and wrongs of membership and then, on balance, he, along with others, convinced me to vote remain.

Corbyn gave a total of 123 appearances during the EU campaign, that's hardly the work of someone not pulling their weight. He was passionate about the reasons for staying but admitted the mistakes too. I find that far more convincing and less patronising than some other campaigners.

lucydogz I get that Corbyn doesn't appeal to you and you seem angry about the result of the referendum but why are you blaming him alone? Why not look at Cameron for calling the vote in order to appease his Tory backbenchers, what about Johnson's utterly irresponsible decision to back 'leave' on a whim?

We are coming out of the EU and my main worries are how we are going to afford it, how Brits living abroad and EU citizens living here are going to be affected along with human and workers' rights. The Tories scare me and now they've gone into partnership with the DUP I'm even more worried.

lucydogz · 27/06/2017 12:33

So, to the posters who think he did a good job, why were Labour remainders(like Alan Johnson) so angry about his behaviour during the referendum? Or is it because they were nasty blairites?

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Petronius16 · 25/06/2017 21:38

TheCunk. It would seem you and I are the same person!Smile

TooTiredToTidy · 25/06/2017 19:46

Brexit is the biggest thing that will affect us and our economy for the next few years. Labour can't enact their manifesto if we also Brexit - there simply isn't the money. In their manifesto they promised and end to freedom of movement. Which means we have to leave the single market and customs union as the EU have repeatedly said we can't have the latter without the former.

There is no possibility of a trade deal being enacted in the 2 years of A50 meaning we go on to WTO rules. If we do, huge sectors of the economy will relocated to the EU as they don't have business that can survive the extra tariffs. E.g. Car manufacturers.

This will cost our economy (this is Government treasury cost estimates) £45 billion a year. This is the entire education budget each year.

So the most pernicious lie from the Labour manifesto is we can have good public services AND Brexit. We can have one or the other, we can't have both.

TheCunkOfPhilomena · 25/06/2017 10:14

Completely agree with Petronius, I went to see the Labour Remain launch and he was incredibly passionate in his speech about voting to remain. Did any member of the national press come to cover it? No.

I was on the fence about voting leave/remain due to the way the EU had treated Greece and the fear of CETA and TTIP. Corbyn was one of the people to convince me to vote remain and I really don't like the way he's always blamed for the result.

In short, yes, I am a Corbyn-supporting Labour member and I voted against Brexit.

Petronius16 · 23/06/2017 16:18

A friend of mine attended one of his meetings before the Referendum. As far as he was concerned he gave a strong speech and left no-one in any doubt about him wanting to remain.

He did not get a fair press. When the General Election came along, he was out and about on the streets and people to see how good he was. By then he didn't need the media - people could see it for themselves.

SomeOtherFuckers · 23/06/2017 02:14

... I'm both

Fab39ish · 23/06/2017 01:15

Yes.

EpoxyResin · 12/06/2017 16:46

I'm was a remainer - strong remainer - and I joined the Labour party in no small part thanks to Corbyn after the referendum.

The thing is, we had a vote. No matter how foolish or il-presented that definitely happened. Until that day I believed the worst thing that this country could do would be to leave the EU. But then after that, seeing all the division, the hatred and back-biting across the nation, it became pretty clear that in the wake of that nationwide vote the worst thing the county could do would now be not to leave the EU. Best to get on and make the very best of it!

Oh, and I don't believe Corbyn was the architect of that result either; not for a second.

mindmyarse · 11/06/2017 08:37

I am a remainer and have voted labour all my life and I confess I am disappointed at JC stance on Brexit but not as angry as I was with Blair when he took us into a war the consequences of which we pay such a high price for today So in the end it's about perspective and if we are strong together we will get through things

SelfObsessionHoney · 10/06/2017 17:34

Yes. Because it's impossible to agree with every standpoint a politician has.

Oneiroi · 10/06/2017 17:33

Not logically, no. Particularly as the Labour manifesto stated they are against freedom of movement, which would necessitate exiting the single market and therefore means they support a 'hard' Brexit, like the Conservatives. As a remainer I could never vote for a party with that as a policy.

Labour also claim to want to help poor people but pursuing this Brexit policy would make poor people much poorer and mean far less money is available for public services, which indicates to me that the party leadership is either incompetent or disingenuous and not to be trusted. Also, some of Labour's proposed policies are illegal under EU law so it doesn't make sense to say you agree with their policies but are against Brexit.

The Lib Dems seemed to be the only sensible option (in England) for people who are strongly against Brexit.

birdsdestiny · 10/06/2017 16:48

No. His election campaign actually infuriated me even more. He showed he could run a good campaign. If he had done that for the referendum it is likely we wouldn't have bloody Brexit.

n0ne · 10/06/2017 16:41

No, Hampstead & Kilburn, lucy. She's so awesome, I luffs her Grin

KnittingPearl · 10/06/2017 16:34

I'm not sure if he was mildly pro Brexit or apathetic, or just wanted to use Brexit to break the Tories. So short term political gain from Cameron, gambling and losing, and from Corbyn either apathy or pro leave, of which I am not a fan, or political gain that will fuck over the country. Yay for our glorious leaders!

Theimpossiblegirl · 10/06/2017 16:33

I support Corbyn and am a Remainer. There are other issues to consider, apart from Brexit. Public services, including Education and the NHS will remain vital issues whether we are in the EU or not.

Petronius16 · 10/06/2017 16:31

Yes.

MarciaBlaine · 10/06/2017 16:27

I am

whereonthestair · 10/06/2017 16:25

Oh and the first week after the election was called I thought I would vote libdem, because of brexit, but in the end voted labour because of Corbyn