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Unwritten social codes in England

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user1494871340 · 06/06/2017 15:26

Sorry if this is posted in the wrong sub-forum, but I wasn't sure where to put it. I've been spending a lot of time in the UK for work recently (I'm from India) and I've become quite fascinated with pop social history and anthropology on English society.

I just read 'Watching the English' by Katie Fox and I was amused by the presence of strict class segregations in common vocabulary (sofa vs. couch, napkin vs. serviette etc). An American colleague and I recently discussed how bewildering the English class system is to us since it based on social rather than economic capital and often what would be considered glamorous in other cultures is looked down upon as gauche here.

I've generally found English people to be quite inscrutable, self-deprecating and reticent (compared to the Arabs and Americans whom I lived amongst earlier). So I was wondering if you could tell me what some other unwritten social codes in the UK are? If you've ever lived overseas, what were the important cultural differences you spotted? What are the unsaid rules/ customs/ morals that you think are specific to England? Thanks and sorry for such a frivolous thread!

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Gunpowder · 06/06/2017 17:30

I think never talking about money (in relation to oneself) is quite English: e.g I don't know how much my sisters or brother-in-laws or friends earn. It would honestly be easier to talk to them about sex! The same with possessions, unless it's really cheap and then you are allowed to brag about it- so if someone compliments your bag you can boast that it only cost £5 from Primark- but you could never say it's Gucci and cost you £900. House prices and school fees it's ok to moan about, you just can't get too specific.

toffeeboffin · 06/06/2017 17:20

FWIW op you might get more responses to this thread in 'chat'

toffeeboffin · 06/06/2017 17:20

There's millions, most of which make no sense and you don't even realise till you live abroad.

Watching the English is a good place to start though.

Here's couple of mine that are typical English behaviour:

Don't invade my social space, ever. Please don't touch me Grin

We are extremely self depreciating but actually think we're the best, really

Sarcasm is the highest form of humour

British people are very assertive, especially the women, compared to say Canadian women

Queueing, oh the queueing

I reckon the class system in Britain is even more complex than in India tbh

Almondbrew · 06/06/2017 17:18

"Saying "I'm going to the toilet" is a social marker. Lavatory or loo is preferred."

I live in a predominately middle class area surrounded by middle class people and naice school. Everyone here, without fail, says toilet. I feel very pretentious saying loo.

Other unwritten rules include having a desired accent, engaging with your community, not being flamboyant or loud and eccentric unless you are a pop star and participating in the class system is second nature, people look down on those they perceive to be lower class and up to those they see as a higher class. Being too intellectual is not welcomed either. IMO.

ViolentDelights · 06/06/2017 17:14

Sorry about the errant words in that post, autocorrect went a bit nuts.

ViolentDelights · 06/06/2017 17:13

IME any "markers" are less reliable nowadays thanks to the exposure to American tv and social media, so for instance I would say either sofa or couch (or occassionally settee) depending in which word came to mind first. Same with toilet/loo/bog.

However, I saying "ice-lolly" will just never feel natural to me. It will always be a "lolly-ice" no matter how far from my roots I am!

Oldgranny · 06/06/2017 17:08

All good points x

clockwotch · 06/06/2017 17:05

Some of it is mixed up with region, but my mum would look down on people who have tea/dinner rather than supper.

Starting to eat before everyone is seated and served vs waiting for everyone else before you tuck in

Ifailed · 06/06/2017 16:15

Watch a few episodes of "keeping up appearances", if you can find them.

TootaLaFruit · 06/06/2017 16:13

Holding a knife and fork in the correct way... so that the index finger is in-line with the implement and thumbs to the side, as opposed to 'resting' between the thumb and index finger with thumbs up in the air (if that makes sense?) My parents are frightful snobs and will notice this immediately.

Elbows on tables also a no-no. Putting milk in a mug before tea or coffee... hmm, mine all seem to be food related Smile

Also the flashier the car the more gauche the driver. Ditto pets/walking attire. Rich people tend to have old, reliable cars coated in fur from old labradors, and wear mucky wellies, whereas the nouveau riche have chi-chi little doggies and flash, sparkling cars.

clockwotch · 06/06/2017 15:57

Saying "I'm going to the toilet" is a social marker. Lavatory or loo is preferred.