Genuine question for Tory voters

There are many places you can rent a 2 bed place for £300/month, leaving £1,000 a month for bills and food. Is that totally comfortable, no is it achievable without suffering, yes.

I couldn't rent a shed round here for £300 a month. You can't just make up figures to suit your opinion.

If you are concerned about debt then why in the name of everything holy do you intend to vote Labour?

Because historically Labour borrow less and pay back more?

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

tookawhile we are not in a perfect position, or even good for some, but I challenge the view things were better in the past. Relative poverty is defined as having less than £300/week for a couple with 2 children. That is £15,500 a year.
There are many places you can rent a 2 bed place for £300/month, leaving £1,000 a month for bills and food. Is that totally comfortable, no is it achievable without suffering, yes.

MotherOfBleach

I know us simple folk are our own worst enemies.

Never mind, Theresa May will sort us out.

Mother of bleach / no one is suggesting that you chose any of the circumstances. What we suggesting is that some of us "the rich" as hysterically portrayed hub he left are paying our 40% - we don't want thanking for it, it's what's due but we'd rather not be demonized as disabilitist, baby eating Tories and told we should pay even more. Surely the fact that the "top" 5% of earners are paying half the tax revenues of the entire country should be enough ..... but no - you want more and for your own personal gain against my family. Why should your family trump mine?

If you are concerned about debt then why in the name of everything holy do you intend to vote Labour? Even when the tax take soared during the bad (but profitable) days of casino banking, they pissed the lot away, and they seem to have learnt nothing since. Corbyn is Momentum's puppet playing nice to get elected. It's always lovely to think that we are going to get all sorts of lovely stuff for "fweee" but ime it's only the left who ar daft enough to believe that spending beyond our means now won't fuck things up for our grandchildren. We may still be the 6th largest economy in the world, but we have slipped to 26th on a per capita basis, i.e. too many people and not enough productivity. One has to be really hard of thinking to believe in "jam for all" in those circumstances.

And I simply do not believe that malnutrition happens in this country without willful parental neglect or some really terrible spending priorities. Not amount of sanctimonious hand-wringing from self-aggrandising charities will persuade me otherwise.

Don't be silly tookawhile we all know you chose a zero hours contract when there were other options available.

Just like I chose to have a mentally unwell child. Self harm is fun, dontcha know?

MrsDV chose to have disabilities.

All of us who are struggling in face of austerity and cuts are struggling because of choices of we made.

Wow Young you seem to feel extremely qualified to pass judgement on something you know nothing about - my life!!

If you look back at my posts you will see I have talked about policies and given links to articles to support my argument. I mainly received insults in response.

I mentioned my own circumstances briefly and only had to return to discussing them when I was accused of lying! I was at pains to point out that many are worse off than me and my concern is for the rising cases of hunger and malnutrition in this country.

I am interested in a government that restores some of the living conditions that were available in previous decades. Our children will leave education with large debts and little chance of buying a house and that concerns me.

Maybe that makes me simple - if so I accept the accusation.

You think labour voters don't want a 'strong economy'? Every time there was a glimmer of hope that Article 50 would not be invoked, the pound shot up against the Euro. Macron elected...another surge. Tory landslide? Market nose dive.

Life is getting better under May...good grief.

caroldecker NHS spending might be going up 'in real terms' but is it going up in line with the demand for services? If you seriously want a more nuanced and informed view on public health spending (and why we are miles behind our European neighbours) why not look at the King's Fund reports.

she is miles better at getting things done than Corbyn

What has she got done?

If that was directed at me took you are doing a great job of making yourself look simple without my help. Your position is one of self-interest (as is mine), the difference is that I am honest enough to say it whilst you bleat and whinge about the entirely foreseeable consequences of your life choices.

Nope. I dont think TM is a very good performing monkey on Tv but she is miles better at getting things done than Corbyn with his gangs of clowns.

I love the way I have been labelled hysterical and ridiculous on here for quoting from the British Medical Journal and Barnardos.

You seem to think you have a monopoly on truth as a tory voter and everyone with a different view is naive and simple.

I'm ordinarily Tory but I really really like Jeremy Corbin. I think he's certainly better than TM, I welcomed a woman PM with open arms but she has been a massive disappointment.

Why are people so convinced TM will be a great negotiator for Brexit? What has she ever done to imply that she will be anything other than a disaster? She is indecisive, tetchy and downright incompetent. Is is because of that ridiculous 'bloody difficult woman' comment? Is that all she's got?

And why are people so quick to forgive her mind-boggling hypocrisy, such as when she had the nerve to say JC should be worrying about Brexit rather than going on a debate. He was only doing that because of the crass and shameless U-turn she performed in calling the election in the first place.

I am so sick of all the Diane Abbott comments. Just what is it about BJ (partly to blame for the whole Brexit mess, treating the country like a toy to argue over), MF (seriously nasty), PH (may as well not be there), JH (has to be kept out of the way for his own safety) et al that fills you with such confidence. Just what?

I would love for some Tories to come on and give their reactions to the Thant debacle and TM's reaction to it today, and for her embarrassing reaction to Trump's actions today. Are you still proud and happy to vote Tory because, er, Diane Abbott?

I believe the Tories are better for everyone because without a strong economy we can hep no-one.
The truth is the mega-rich 1% come here and pay some taxes due to our lowish top rate. It has been followed all over the world, along with lower corporation taxes, because evidence shows it brings in more money. higher tax rates bring in less money.
The top 1% have been getting poorer since 2010, including paying much more tax (often due to reductions in pension tax relief)
On poverty this article shows the truth and measure.
Relative poverty is measured as less than 60% of median income, absolute poverty (in the UK) is measured as less than 60% of 2010/11 median income. On all these measures poverty is lower today than in 2010.
The Tories have increased NHS spending in real terms since 2010, as well as education spending in real terms since 2010. Even with planned spending freeze in Education, it will be higher in real terms than in 2010 by 2020.
There is record employment, much lower unemployment than in Europe.
These are the facts, not what some hysterical people put out there. Is life perfect, no, but it is getting better and will continue to do so under May.
I believe that if Corbyn wins we will need IMF support before 2022.

Admire her for not attending that ludicrous playground scrap. Amber lost her father 2 days before debate so was under par.

She wasn't particularly under par (although it would have been perfectly understandable if she had been) she was outgunned and outnumbered and even had she been the most charismatic, persuasive eloquent politician on that stage it wouldn't have mind the blindest bit of difference.

The whole thing was an utter farce, and anyone who bases their vote on how Corbyn or Sturgeon or anyone else 'performs' in these pathetic skewed and staged TV 'debates' and 'interviews' should take a bloody good look at themselves.

Ooh, didn't they do well - must mean they deserve my vote.

What utter bollocks.

Took - you chose those jobs. You chose to have a child. You chose those bills. Do you think others who made different choices should subsidise you?

Many do. The fact that child benefit not the parents has to cover all the costs says a lot. Financially providing as parents seems to have escaped many sadly.

Admire her for not attending that ludicrous playground scrap. Amber lost her father 2 days before debate so was under par. Not changed my mind.

Exactly blue. I was hoping for the thread I tried to start to be about asking genuine questions and listening, to try and understand each other, rather than just screaming insults. There's a great Reddit one called Ask Trump Supporters where I have learned a lot. I may not agree with people but it's interesting to hear intelligent reasoned answers.

I'll admit that my heart's reaction upon watching that video is to think that the Tories are evil and people who support them must be horrible. Of course my head knows that 50% of the country are not horrible, neither are my Tory supporting family and friends. So I want to understand rather than judge. And the couple of posts above do help with that, thanks!

There is bias on both sides faux. The reason I assumed your question was goady is because of the MN refrain that those who vote Tory delight in the suffering of the poor. I worry a great deal about individual hardship and see a lot of it through my voluntary work. However, a strong economy is needed first and foremost and that means making tough decisions about welfare spending. I actually respect TM for making those tough decisions and was impressed by her initial stance on paying for elderly care (pre u-turn!) even though I would be at risk of losing out financially.

Effic.... You nailed it for me!