Genuine question for Tory voters

And no one has called you an evil baby boiler

Unless i have missed something which is entirely possible

I just think people are being overly harsh about other posters personal experiences

Fair enough! Thought the point of an open debate in a public forum was to listen, value and include all points of view? Clearly not Will leave it to the echo chamber - all tories bad; all Corbynits - good.

Effic you are right, and fortunately for the outcome of the GE, most people in RL also agree with you.

I dont want to live in lefty land or tory land

They both sound dreadful

And you do know that old people get malnourished dont you

Bit harsh blaming an OAPs parents

Rufus I am just very glad that I don't live in lefty land, where it seems that taking simple steps to improve one's lot is too much like hard work.

I know a lot about poverty. I grew up with no central heating, color TV or telephone on a council estate. (I'm not that old - most people had those things!) To suggest that poverty afflicts everyone in a household with

I dont think your post is invisible effic

I just think people are ignoring it

Today 22:34 Effic

It seems my post was invisible???? So I'll try again .......

Mother of bleach / took - no one is suggesting that you chose any of the circumstances. What we suggesting is that us " rich" as hysterically portrayed by the left are already paying our 40% - we don't want thanking for it, it's what's due but we'd rather not be demonized as disabilitist, baby eating Tories and told we should pay even more. Surely the fact that the "top" 5% of earners are paying half the tax revenues of the entire country should be enough ..... but no - you want more and for your own personal gain against my family. Why should your family trump mine?

took

Its been a very depressing thread to read

According to some a 2 bed for 300 per month is a piece of piss, no moving costs plenty of jobs in the new area, no family support

And no malnutrition...

And that last comment of young regarding the 72% tax rate ? Lovely

This has been a dark and depressing foray into Tory land and you've worn me down.

Oh do give over with the melodramatics.

You've been living in 'Tory land' for several years, seeing as how we have had a Conservative prime minister since 2010.

The sky hasn't fallen in, the world hasn't come to an end. In fact compared to most world economies we've done well, and compared to most of our EU fellow members we've done very well indeed, no doubt due to never having signed up the the Euro. Just ask the Greeks, Portuguese, Spanish, Italians .. how that's working out.

If you find venturing into a Tory land thread dark and depressing, it's a wonder you've survived the past 7 years in a country governed by the Conservatives.

Do you even math, bro?

I can confidently say that I "math" better than the woman that many on this thread want to be Home Sec. I admit that doesn't count for much.

This has been a dark and depressing foray into Tory land and you've worn me down.

Does this mean that you don't want me and DH to pay 72% marginal rate tax to fund your lifestyle choices after all? Good-o.

MotherofBleach

Exactly and would I be moving to an area where there is even less work cos that will help too.

And of course, uprooting your entire family and moving them across the country is entirely free. There's no upfront cost that would be impossible for someone on a low/unstable income to afford.

Christ, I can't even afford to move from one end of the street to the other and yet posters believe the answers to poverty lie in moving to a lower cost area?

Do you even math, bro?

Oh God Young I can't waste any more time on you.

This has been a dark and depressing foray into Tory land and you've worn me down.

took no it's not nice having to uproot. We've done it lots - and I mean lots - to keep a job and a roof over our heads. I don't live near family either - I'd love to!
Your expectations are strange to me - it's the first thing I'd do to make my costs smaller.
But you want us to pay more for you because you won't consider what I've had to?

Well took I have done that 3 times in the last 5 years in the interests of my work/career. If your current working conditions are bad enough to moan about them on here, then why not try to change them? You suggest you are paying a fortune in rent and yet have on occasion had only 8 quid to feed 3 people - does not compute.

The article you reference also uses relative poverty as a measure and other posters have already explained better than I can why that concept is a piece of self-fulfilling nonsense. A loaf of bread costs pennies - no child should be hungry in the U.K. In 2017 unless their parents are useless and neglectful. No matter how much the left might wish that to be true.

took if you choose to live in an expensive part of the country, why do you think your choice should be subsidized?

WTAF Young do you never listen. I am not asking for any handouts. I live where I have lived for the last 30 years and where my partner and son have grown up. I suppose you want us to uproot ourselves and move hundreds of miles, thereby losing the income we do have and all friends and family support. Yes that'll help.

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/find.html?searchType=RENT&locationIdentifier=REGION%5E1115&insId=1&radius=0.0&minPrice=&maxPrice=300&minBedrooms=2&maxBedrooms=&displayPropertyType=&maxDaysSinceAdded=&sortByPriceDescending=&_includeLetAgreed=on&primaryDisplayPropertyType=&secondaryDisplayPropertyType=&oldDisplayPropertyType=&oldPrimaryDisplayPropertyType=&letType=&letFurnishType=&houseFlatShare=false

Oh, look, a grand total of one two bed property for less than £300 pcm. And it's a flat. With just about enough room to swing a cat. Perfect for my family of three adult sized women. Where do I sign up?

Young

And I simply do not believe that malnutrition happens in this country without willful parental neglect or some really terrible spending priorities. Not amount of sanctimonious hand-wringing from self-aggrandising charities will persuade me otherwise.

And there it is in a nutshell. Is the British Medical Journal a self- aggrandising charity? You just can't accept the facts in front of you.

Sorry for typos.

I'll try again ...

That Tax Research UK article is an absolute crock of shite!

Conservative borrowing has occurred when the country was on its knees and was rebuilding after the decimation of WW2, and also when it was voted into power and had to clean up the economic mess left by a socialist government.

I was also wondering where you can rent a two bed for £300 pcm.

I live in one of the most deprived areas in the country and even here the cheapest you'd find is knocking towards the £400 mark.

My rent is £395 for a two up, two down terraced.

That Tax Research UK article is an absolute crock of shite!

Conservative borrowing has occurred when the country was on its needs was rebuilding after the decimation of WW2, and also when it's been voting into power and had to clean up the economic mess left by a socialist government.

took if you choose to live in an expensive part of the country, why do you think your choice should be subsidized? 300 a month would get you plenty here too. I am a HR taxpayer as is DH. We can't afford to live in London.

Ah yes, Tax Research UK, that totally unbiased organization run by a well-known leftist who writes for the Guardian amongst others. 0/10, must try harder.

And how much are we borrowing to pay off Brown's debt? Because we sure as shit aren't spending what we borrow on the "poor", to quote half of MN.