Genuine question for Tory voters

Mother it was an election year, hence the comparison.

I'd like something more in the middle?

Again, apologies but I don't believe someone has to. I believe that the demands made and expectations of what the state provides have to be reduced. Benefots were supposed to be a temporary prop; the NHS to ensure basic life saving care - we have moved so far away from this stand point and although it's a beautiful nivrana - it's unaffordable.

He refused to put a number to it, which given that the Tories have failed to meet their immigration targets ....

How can anyone meet their immigration targets while we remain a member of the EU. We haveno control over our borders. That's what 'free movement' is.

Any EU citizen can come and live here. They don't have to have a trade, a job, there is no points criteria as applies to Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the USA and so on. Hundreds of millions of EU citizens can come here and there is Jack Shit that any British Government - left or right - can do about it, all the time we remain a member of the EU.

So, who should pay more, Effic?

Someone has to. If not the top 5% then who?

Also, I never said that uncontrolled immigration wasn't a problem. Nor has Corbyn from what I've seen/read.

He refused to put a number to it, which given that the Tories have failed to meet their immigration targets since being in Government, I think is sensible.

NHS underfunded in relation to demand, tax allowances doubled, your point is....?

I liked the centre as well effic

I miss it too

Labour and tory have gone so far left and right they are going to meet up in the middle

I miss the middle .... where the hell did the middle go

The middle turned out to be a major disappointment.

Ah yes, 2010, two years after the global recession ended....

More funding in education would mean smaller class sizes, enabling DD to feel more confident in the classroom and less prone to panic attacks.

Less people living on a tiny little island half the size of France (with the same population) which would fit easily inside no less than 7 US states, would also ensure smaller class sizes, an NHS service and infrastructure that could actually cope with the number of people it has to serve.

Why is it that the left, seem to think that throwing more money at everything is going to solve all the problems of NHS waiting lists, overcrowded schools, lack of social housing and gridlocked roads, but unfettered immigration with hundreds of thousands of people coming into the country every year - has absolutely no bearing on these problems?

You do know we are the fourth most overcrowded region of Europe? Only the minuscule Malta, the Netherland and Belgium are more densely populated than us.

I do understand that you want a better funded NHS and better funded education and better funded mental health services and better funded everything ..... problem is you want me to pay for it and I think/feel that I pay enough. Sorry, but I do. So the Corbynite mantra of "the rich evil bastards that need to pay more" doesn't wash with me. I miss the middle .... where the hell did the middle go?

Someone just sent me this and it seems apposite...

I have voted labour. Lib dem and Tory.

I was goi g to vote Tory this time until TM accounted the "dementia tax "

No way will I ever vote for that. It's unfair and cruel imo.

I said way back in this thread, I do not want more benefits. I am satisfied with the tax credits I get, though it is a struggle making ends meet, we do manage most weeks. I do not want my 'lifestyle choices' funded by anyone but myself and work towards that daily (I am working between skimming this thread - which is why I missed your post)

What I want is better funded education and NHS. I'd also welcome a rejig of the housing situation, especially the bedroom tax situation (rent is the only area I do want more financial help and I'd prefer it to be via rent controls than higher benefits)

This would help me in a number of ways. If mental health services received more funding, my local CAHMS might be able to take on enough counselors so that one was available to give DD the time she needs to open up to them. As it is, I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place atm with her. She won't engage with them, they don't have the resources to help her if she won't engage. She won't engage because she suffers anxiety (in part around speaking to strangers)

More funding in education would mean smaller class sizes, enabling DD to feel more confident in the classroom and less prone to panic attacks.

If I could improve her mental health, I would be free to look for work outside the home to supplement my self employment income.

I do not want my family to trump anyone. I want better services for all. I don't believe I'll get that under the tories.

Oh and as a side note, I didn't chose for my child to suffer poor mental health. Nor did I chose for my ex-H to kick us out.

Citroen this was discussed earlier on the thread. Do you honestly think anyone is going to say "great!" in response to that? Anecdotes may be individually troubling, but they should not be used as a basis for formulating policy. I say that as a person with a disability.

I still fav our fiscal responsibility when it comes to spending, including welfare spending.

Fontella

it's a wonder you've survived the past 7 years in a country governed by the Conservatives.

I agree with you there.

Damn goaded back into crazy world!

Wait

I'm not a corbynit or a torynit

Just a nit

Yes good point chardonnay

That's because there's no proof in them, Rufus.

You know that.

Love the word Corbynits - very appropriate in the circumstances!

And see young didnt ignore it either

Poverty is a 'lifestyle' choice Young? Stories of those who starved to death www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/benefit-changes-are-killing-the-vulnerable-say-campaigners-9877872.html are they just 'fake news'.

This the kind of society you are voting for?

I wasn't ignoring it effic

My posts are always being ignored

Rufus the specific article referenced by took was a BMJ article about childhood malnutrition. But yes, I should have referenced that in my post.

OAP's are likely feeling the pinch, but again, they don't get much sympathy on here. They gobble up most of the welfare budget, after all.