Genuine question for Tory voters

The thing is labour are saying they are going to improve this, that and everything else purely because they want people to vote for them.

Realistically they will not have the means to do it all.

They are just trying to play on people's heart strings.

And haven't not have
Good grief!! Fat finger typing!!

*Fewer not less

Can I just ask that people view the popular 'how much is your school funding been cut' website so often linked in here with caution. The figures given with the 'this equal 8 teachers less bit simply don't add up. No one is suggesting that schools have taken cuts to funding like all other public services but the figures on this website are bonkers!

Draughty I meant!

My point wasn't that people who vote Tory are usually rich although I can see how if possibly reads that way.

It's more that when people use public services I can't understand why they would vote for them to be cut.

Schools improved under the labour government whatever you think of labour.

Does anyone else remember state schools under the Thatcher/ John Major years? Drafty porter cabins etc

My point is, younggirl that conservatives cut money from the public sector in every possible way. Why would you want to support a party that is going to take money away from your child during their school years? Money for much needed resources.

They don't care about state schools because they think anyone of importance (to them) will use an independent school.

Generally I find those who are voting Conservative are grasping at reasons why they should whilst trying not to look selfish. Observationally..

Eh? It's an interesting view esp given so much of the Labour manifesto is appealing to people's individual pockets and Labour have voiciferously attacked proposed Tory policies to redistribute wealth to the less well off (wealthy people contributing more to their care costs, stopping winter fuel payments to wealthy pensioners etc).

Ha ha ha at Labour manifesto being sensibly costed.

Mummy, absolutely correct. So sick of these tory bashing threads, all of this aggression from the left both on here and other social media platforms getting to be very draining and looking ever desperate.

Love that mummy, 👏🏻👏🏻

She doesn't know what she's doing or talking about. ConservativeHome called the social care u-turn "the biggest campaigning fiasco in modern electoral history". Where is the chancellor in this campaign? The 12 step plan for Brexit? Just a set of empty statements. Total panic.

for every post about school funding I look at my kids schools and see the huge number of non teaching posts

What sort of thing? Like teaching assistants because of the closure of many special schools meaning that there are many more pupils with special needs in mainstream? Business and finance managers because most schools are now academies and have to deal with all the finances themselves?
What exactly do you think these people are doing that isn't necessary?

She sounds like she knows what she is talking about

However, she actually doesn't know what she's talking about. For example on education last night she was talking total twaddle yet sounded completely confident. The more money she was talking about pumping into schools still represents a massive funding cut due to increased pupil numbers and rising costs to schools, for example.

When she was telling the nurse that she'd had a 14% real terms pay cut because there isn't a magic money tree and hard decisions had to be made, she neglected to mention that MPs didn't suffer similarly from pay freezes, despite also being public servants. They got a fat 10% pay rise in 2015 and another better than everyone else one this year, meaning a pay increase of £9000 in two years.

Ronald - its precisely these types of statements "if you vote tory then you must be selfish" that means that

a) tory voters don't respond to polls so they become unreliable in terms of predictions.
b) tory voters avoid posting on threads on MN because they feel so under attack
c) we stop debating issues that need proper grown up discussions.

I am not selfish, or an idiot, or grasping, or not understanding of the funding crisis in education/health/whatever else.

the plain truth is you cant keep doing more stuff for the same or less cost. there is no "someone else" to pay for things. its all of us. I am happy to pay more, much more, but if and only if I feel that I get value for money for these services and at the moment I just do not see that I do. lots of people feel like this. it doesn't make us selfish.

for every post about school funding I look at my kids schools and see the huge number of non teaching posts - vast in comparison to what there was when I was at school and I simply have no idea why or how these can be justified despite asking the schools and doing my own research.

for every post about NHS funding there is that feeling from me that a lot of people pitch up to A and E when they really don't need to. because they can and that is about personal responsibility as much as it is about availability of ooh doctors.

You cant on the one hand moan about the retirement age being raised and simultaneously moan that there isn't enough quality elderly care. the state system was never meant to care for pensioners for 30 or 40 years. the original age of 65 was set because over 50% of men were dead by then! how many of us have parents/grandparents who have been retired for as long as they worked. My fil retired at 59 because he could. now late 80's. how is that ever in any world going to be sustainable?

frank field did a lot of excellent work on this but his work was dismissed. we need to start a proper debate about these issues instead of throwing more and more money at NHS, schools etc.

for me it comes down to this: would I sooner vote for someone who isn't media savvy/friendly like TM or vote for JC, a man I worked with and whose vile character traits I know all about.

why do we want our politicians to be media friendly. wasn't that Tony Blair?

I have been wavering but honestly think we would be better under TM. Although I don't agree with everything she stands for. She sounds like she knows what she is talking about whereas Jeremy Corbyn is coming out with shallow suggestions e.g. Vote for me and you can have extra bank holidays - seriously!!

I saw him on question time and in my opinion he was evading answering what people were asking him and doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
I was considering voting for an alternative but genuinely think we'll be better off with TM.

Ah yes, the three-day week. Another Tory mess and another botched surprise election (Heath expected to triumph and there was a hung parliament). Some historians consider that the three-day-week was actually quite unnecessary but a way for the Tories to turn the public against strikes (and unions). Utter disaster in terms of longer term economic effects. And it was Michael Foot (Labour) that negotiated the settlement (in line with the Government Pay Board that said the NUM's case for higher pay was actually sound in the first place).

mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/theresa-may.html?m=1This is a good article regarding May and contains the DT article which has been pulled.

Generally I find those who are voting Conservative are grasping at reasons why they should whilst trying not to look selfish. Observationally..

This time either lib dem or fish finger.

Have you read Tim's webchat? Worth a vote more than the fish finger I'd have thought.

I think the thing about the 3 day week is that it started under a Conservative government and ended under a minority Labour government. It was also caused by a clash between the govt and NUM.

Rainbows I wonder if you are in the same constituency as my family. They have seen the same and my mother, who is a teacher, completely agreees with The redistribution.

There has been so much coverage about the cuts and none about the reversal in our area. The labour candidate is running on a education platform to reverse the cuts but can't seem to answer questions about why she is running on that platform when cuts to local schools won't be going ahead.

The only good thing that may come out of our road crash country currently would be a minority or coalition government.

Can't stand any of the main stream parties currently. And would see a Tory or labour landslide as a disaster. As both seem to have some quite looney policies.

Would aslo point out life long Tory voter. This time either lib dem or fish finger. Can you guess where I live.

Already voted Tory as cannot trust Corbyn and Abbott as far as could throw them.

I'm a first time Tory voter. Am away from Sunday so have posted my vote Friday morning. The press around the leaders has pushed me to May actually - perhaps because I'm intellectually a sceptic and question a lot of what's being written as utter tosh. I don't like either leader and think Brexit a disaster but corbyn and his ( in my view) nasty friends have really turned me off the Labour Party. I think he promotes division of culture, religion, wealth. Everything he talks about suggests good guys and bad guys. I hate it.