Genuine question for Tory voters

Well the NHS has never been a perfect system and it never will be. There have always been areas where care is better or worse.

But right now it's being sold to Virgin Health Care and is set to get a whole lot worse. When that happens it's even more difficult to get appointments or even talk to anyone - you have to leave a message and nobody calls you back. If you thought things were bad in 2006 they're about to be a whole lot worse. I would suggest that in 5 years time there will be no such thing as health care that is free at the point of service.

I also don't agree that schools can perform as well if class sizes are getting bigger and TAs are being cut. It means that the children are receiving less input - that's a fact. I'm very glad not to be in the position of having a preschooler - my children are all older.

Sorry Lottie it doesn't make a damn bit of difference to me. I don't subscribe to the view that more money = better in every case. We could throw the equivalent of the national debt at the NHS and it would still be inefficient and badly run in many places. There is nothing wrong in wanting money to be spent wisely - in fact it's the hallmark of a fiscally responsible government.

I had cancer in 2006 and was treated on the NHS at the height of Brown flinging tons of casino banking cash at it. Care was dreadful. Not enough staff. I lay all day in a mixed ward, rarely cleaned, with shared, dirty bathrooms and listened to the building work going on to construct a new entrance to the "Trust HQ" which included a £1 million fountain. It's actually revolting what much NHS management splashes the cash on. Anecdotal, but not that unusual. Its just Labour paying the piper in return for support.

Can't comment on state schools because DS is too young but based in this thread, it looks as though they let Abbott loose on the figures again. Bit of a dick move.

I also agree with Wrong - so many sanctimonious Labour voters on here. Honestly, Jezza will not come down on a white horse and make everything okay. And I don't need re-educating, thanks - I just don't agree with you.

Cutting tax rates for the rich and corporations does not cut tax take from the rich. thie rich are paying a far higher burden of taxes than under a Labour government, even the 98% lot from the 70's.
There are small state conservatives who want to reduce the size of the state due to idealogical reasons and they hate May because she is not one of them.
May is cutting public spending because there is no extra money. For example, when corporate tax rates were 26% plus, companies moved profits overseas (perfectly legally) to reduce UK profitability. With 17% rates, companies are moving profits to the UK - hence increasing the corporate tax income we receive.
Don't confuse high tax rates with high tax income they are not the same to the rich and corporations which can easily move wealth/income around.
The only way to increase tax take and public spending is either borrow or tax ordinary families more - which is why the Labour party had such a low tax-free income band and removed the 10p rate.
The Tories understand this and spend the maximum we can raise.

It doesn't include sixth form funding cuts.

Wrong trousers - fair enough! Apologies, i wasn't trying to put words in anyone else's mouth. People chose to vote for a myriad of reasons, I just meant that in general terms, conservative policy is generally 'smaller state' in its nature that's all. Again, apologies if it came across as me deciding why people are voting for a particular party.

If you think the tories are interested in equality or the concerns of the working class I think you will be horribly dissapointed!

I was taking it as read that anyone voting for a conservative government is, of course, voting for less spending on public services?!

Effic, actually I don't think that's the case. I am voting Conservative for several reasons. One is because I want a successful Brexit and I think the Tories are the only party committed to this (well, except UKIP) and two, because having seen the way the Labour party has operated over the last few years, and particularly the last year, I have lost all faith that they are either competent and united enough to govern or actually interested in equality, the concerns of working class people and all the values I had thought they represented.

Giraffe- your school can't be losing more than -1.5% on last year so perhaps your governors need to look at how they've managed their budgets against known school funding reductions over the past three years if it's having such a cataclysmic effect on your school staffing and resources next year?
As I made clear, I'm NOT supporting conservative policy - my vote is my own private matter but I'm just pointing out some facts in an area I happen to have some knowledge of.

downscaling accordingly

Such language means making teachers and teaching assistants redundant, increasing class sizes, cutting the curriculum, reducing pastoral support, asking for parental contributions and some schools are making the school day shorter.

Downscaling

Red - indeed!!
What is never publicized by the folk on the left, is that schools have a MFG (minimum funding guarantee) which protects schools from losing more than 1.5% in any year. Conservative austerity policy and its affect on school budgets aren't a secret so any competent head teacher should have been managing their maximum yearly -1.5% funding loss over the last few years and downscaling accordingly. Austerity hasn't been a bloody secret!!!

Oops, should have said "and everyone who voted leave was an ignorant, duped, angry person?"

The website claims that my school isn't losing as much money as it is.

Hasn't changing my mind.

Giraffe - I was taking it as read that anyone voting for a conservative government is, of course, voting for less spending on public services?! That's what conservative policy is, isn't? Less money from the state and so public sector able offer less. I'm simply pointing out that the website is wrong and IMO misleading.

Just checked for the school where my mum is the headteacher.

That website is claiming that under Tories, they will lose £570 per child/6 teachers.

I know for a fact that isn't true. Same for all the schools in the area.

And for those of you being defensive and saying 'I shouldn't have to explain myself for voting Tory' well no you don't have to. But if you don't clearly know why you're voting for a particular government then perhaps you should work it out!

Gosh, is it the referendum all over again where everyone who voted remain knew exactly what they were doing and why, and everyone who voted remain was an ignorant, duped, angry person? Except now it's Labour voters who are the font of all wisdom and Tory voters who don't have a clue.

The premise of this whole thread is that people who are voting Tory haven't thought it through and will suddenly realise the error of their ways once exposed to the truth telling wisdom of the Guardian. Or on the other hand, perhaps they have thought long and hard and come to a different conclusion about what is best.

'The only good thing that may come out of our road crash country currently would be a minority or coalition government'

^^ completely agree

'So sick of these tory bashing threads, all of this aggression from the left both on here and other social media platforms getting to be very draining and looking ever desperate.'

Maybe you'd feel desperate about the situation if you had a disabled family member. And nobody is actually immune to sickness or disability either.

BUT they are not accurately reflected on this website

So if the cuts are a fact but applied to the wrong school or in the wrong ratio on the website, then how does it make the cuts more acceptable?

'Shit, I thought that my DC's school was going to lose £1 million in funding but it turned out that their school is fine and it's the school down the road that's being shafted instead, so that's ok'?

summerbreeze replace Labour with Tory in your post and it makes a lot more sense.

Giraffe - as I clearly said in my post, there are cuts to school funding. Absolutely not claiming there aren't BUT they are not accurately reflected on this website, which is often quoted in this site. Schools do need to be very careful with spending and cut down of that there is no doubt.

Summerbreeze - the Conservatives cut funding from public services whatever money there is or isn't. It is, and always has been their brand of politics. They pretend to believe in social mobility, which they don't because if they did then they wouldn't have got rid of the children's centres for starters.

I think the last Labour government wasted money. But there must be a middle ground which doesn't involve shitting on the most vulnerable people in society and giving tax breaks to the rich.

but the figures on this website are bonkers

My school has just made teaching staff redundant, are cutting support staff and teaching assistants, and we can't afford textbooks or photocopying. Subjects are being dropped from the curriculum and class sizes are being increased.

I can assure you that however bonkers you think the figures are, cuts to school funding are happening and they will affect the standard of education on offer.

Can I just ask that people view the popular 'how much is your school funding been cut' website so often linked in here with caution. The figures given with the 'this equal 8 teachers less bit simply don't add up. No one is suggesting that schools have taken cuts to funding like all other public services but the figures on this website are bonkers!

It's definitely wrong here, we know we are not having our budget cut. It's been confirmed by several sources yet that site says we will lose almost one hundred thousand so it's very wrong for the local area.

And for those of you being defensive and saying 'I shouldn't have to explain myself for voting Tory' well no you don't have to. But if you don't clearly know why you're voting for a particular government then perhaps you should work it out!

I'm entitled to be annoyed that people are voting for a government who is destroying our NHS, proposing to cut school funding by £200 per student and proposing to treat my disabled daughter and pensioners like crap. And if they don't even know why then I'm even more annoyed....