Genuine question for Tory voters

silky the Tories are having to pay interest on the vast amount of borrowing during a period when growth fell under Labour. We do have a sect problem and it would be a lot worse without the austerity measures.

You're partly right - the key driver for the debt increase is the continued deficit, however the deficit would almost certainly have reduced more quickly (no one can say for sure either way as we don't know what would have happened had different decisions been taken) if the government had continued with a policy of fiscal stimulus rather than austerity. Under Brown the economy was already starting to grow pretty well again following the crash, once the Tories got in growth slowed sharply and this wasn't reversed until the austerity approach was softened somewhat.

Blue, my mum has gone from believing TM was 'strong and stable' to seeing her look anything but. Shes going to spoil her ballot now as she hates corbyn, many of her friends have said they have no idea who to vote for now too.

Brexit needs to be negotiated on the best possible terms for the country and I think May is our best bet for that

Can you give any recent examples of something TM has achieved that gives you confidence she's the "best bet"?

Really? Would you really not prefer Keir Starmer to negotiate Brexit? Half the Tory front bench are likely to be ousted after the election. Hammond, Johnson, Davies, Fox, Hunt all rumoured to be for the chop and all in key positions. Refusing to worki with Corbyn pre-election is a v. different thing from a Corbyn that clearly does have electoral appeal.

So sick of people on these threads saying we can't afford to feed the poor, fund our nhs, labour policy is not affordable, the magic fucking money tree. Do you not realise we are the 6th largest economy in the world? How much is this election costing the taxpayer? The 2010 election cost us £113 million. TM is wasting time and money. I'm largely centrist so was happy for her to get on with brexit until 2020 but no, her ego got in the way and now Corbyn has delivered a stronger manifesto, solid campaign and a wonderful negotiator in Kier Starmer. She was arrogant and reckless to call this election and I think she will pay dearly for it. Decreased majority and resign before brexit I reckon.

Nope, haven't changed my mind.

I don't believe a single word that JC is saying, therefore my vote for TM will not change. TM isn't perfect, but JCs drastic & unrealistic plans will just cause us more problems.

How many people change their minds? Most vote the same way every time and it is the 10-20% of floating voters who influence matters.

Even if Corbyn achieves only half of what he promises, those of us really struggling will be so much better off.

I honestly think that his outlandish claims and ridiculous "costing" will make life even harder for the very groups comments like this assume he will rush in to save on June 9th, because he will fuck over the economy and then we are all screwed.

The next few years of Brexit are going to be shit, I know that and have factored that in. It was a case of choosing the people who I think will get us through it least worst.

Whatever else the 27 EU countries don't agree on, they are united in that the deal will be worse for the UK than now.

Of course they have to - pour encourager les autres! Do we really want to belong to a club that promises to fuck us over royally if we have the temerity to leave? Interesting.

You know what, if the shadow cabinet actually has some more moderate centralist MPs on, I would be probably be voting Labour. I believe the manifesto will be more restrained less La la land too.

But the fact that they all rather not to work on the front bench with Corbyn tells me something. I can't vote for the current shadow front bench. I don't trust any of them. I cannot unremember the infighting and Momentum etc. They are eerily quiet now but they will resurface once the election is over.

IvorHugh Whatever else the 27 EU countries don't agree on, they are united in that the deal will be worse for the UK than now. This notion of Guy Verhofstadt preferring Labour because May is more likely to get a 'good' deal is simply ridiculous - it will be a nightmare whoever negotiates it. Hard not to agree with his views here: ‘A young generation will see Brexit for what it really is – a catfight in the Conservative party that got out of hand, a loss of time, a waste of energy, stupidity.’

silky the Tories are having to pay interest on the vast amount of borrowing during a period when growth fell under Labour. We do have a sect problem and it would be a lot worse without the austerity measures.

I really don't follow your point on tuition fees. You accept that we are indebted but want to borrow more to fund tuition fees? Would you pay household bills on a high interest credit card? Because that makes about as much economic sense.

Polly I am voting based on facts, voting records, costed manifestos. So far you have said things that are straight out of the daily mail, not based in reality. We have been told there is no money, but the richest 1% have got richer, the bankers have got richer. Austerity doesn't apply to them. There is money for bombing syria but not enough to give our children a hot meal. Wake up.

@Ladymuck
No, I haven't. Labour's economic plans are entirely unrealistic. I can understand why people are attracted by free money - but would hope that they would realise that the HUGE increase in tax burden would not fall on a few anonymous rich people, but would affect everyone in the economy whether through the reductions in jobs, increase in prices etc.

LadyMuck puts my POV beautifully. Yes all of us would love everything being promised on a plate, but we just can't afford it and I am sick of it being presented as such a simplistic choice.

Didn't mean I was happy to vote Conservative though and really dithered between Blue and Yellow (postal vote). I think TM has been very stupid with some of her announcements and that has really harmed her.

I have to say that I am scared that there will be many people who simply don't understand the interaction though.
I am terrified to wake up next Friday in a world where people haven't thought this far ahead.

BeyondThePage

Keir Starmer is well set to be the next Labour Prime minister. Just not for a while...

But he and Barry Gardiner - also top notch - are the Brexit Negotiating team. I agree he would make an excellent prime minister.

Silky- so if Labour scrap tuition fees, (pandering to the young people's vote) where are unis going to get their funding?
How are they going to survive as research organisations?

Are you thinking that the magic money tree will provide the money?

Tell me how unis will be funded.

'suce typos but you get the message.

Abbot in charge OF anti terrorism?

She is numerically illiterate.

Corbyn swerved the question about giving the go-ahead to the defence chiefs on nuclear warfare.

Is this the sort of weak and divisive leader you want?

I would suggest to you that Keir Starmer is a much more trustworthy representative than BoJo Or David Davies

Keir Starmer is well set to be the next Labour Prime minister. Just not for a while...

Young, I agree people don't want to be shackled with debt thats why it is worrying that debt has risen under the tories despite their austerity measures, and the cost of going to uni has tripled. The fact is labour have promised to scrap tuition fees and they will have to honour it or be decimated like the lib dems.

Poverty in the UK is measured as relative poverty i.e. if household income is below 60% of the median household income - so there will always be poverty - by that very definition.

Abitofaproblem

The only reason May did a U turn was because it's an election campaign and she realised she was alienating her older vote.

I would suggest to you that Keir Starmer is a much more trustworthy representative than BoJo! Or David Davies...

Silky
It astounds me so many people are willing to vote on blind faith

But that is precisely what Labour voters are doing.

Corbyn won't even have enough loyal MPs to make a cabinet.
Do we really want Abbot in charge or anti terrorism? She numerically illiterate. McDonald wants to scrap MI5. Corbyn wouldn't confirm he would trigger the nuclear defence if needed.

These are very serious issues which cannot be ignored in the 'glow' of more money for schools, NHS, etc etc.

His sums don't add up. The government has NO money. It is your money and my money and our working kids' money. Even taking the rich will not produce enough money for one of his promises. The rest will come from the middle earners.

To say that TB and BB had nothing to do with the current debt and deficit is just crazy. yes, certain worldwide events were a factor but only GB raided the pension pots of millions of workers.

LadyinCement

www.endchildpoverty.org.uk/4-million-children-now-living-in-poverty-in-the-uk/

Set to rise to 5 million by 2020. I can't take your posts seriously if you can't be bothered to check the figures before accusing me.