Genuine question for Tory voters

The Conservatives are ideological and do not care about most of the population. They want to privatise and sell off everything to people like them and keep the wealth. Most of them live in a different world to you all. How can you not see that? They do not act in the best interests of YOU!

No Labour won't be able to achieve all it wants too. But i would vote anything but Tory. Which here will be Lib Dem

Disclaimer - I am an NHS Doctor.

ShotsFired

Thank you for your comments. They show some understanding and you didn't resort to insults like some other posters have.

Listen, I understand that Labour's proposals seem to be promising a lot. I don't know if they can deliver everything, probably not. But the borrowing that seems to be terrifying everyone is to invest in infrastructure and jobs. This will boost the economy and create more revenue. Building social housing means jobs and tax income. People having more money in their pockets means they spend it in the economy.

Some of the nationalisation will happen when current franchises expire so won't cost anything in that respect and will of course then bring in money for the state. These are often currently owned by other country's states and the income is helping to reduce their rail fares or utility bills - that doesn't seem sensible to me.

Also, why does everyone assume we will be plunged into '70's chaos? You think we are incapable of running our own services but France or Germany are? Have a little faith in your country! ;)

Took from the little I can glean on here about your circumstances, the Tories are promising to do more to help your family than Labour. Increasing the tax threshold is a Tory policy. Making work pay has been IDS' mission for many years.

I am struggling to understand what Corbyn offers that appeals to you. It just looks like bread and circuses to me.

Still voting Conservative and I think May did the right thing not getting involved in those pathetic so-called 'debates'.

The Conservative viewpoints on this thread seem to be saying that labour policies are not affordable and by the way corbyn is bad. I guess the abject failure of idealistic tory policies - monetarism and austerity are ignored because they targeted those with least - a stark contrast to the blair/Brown years.

I'm not in the UK so no skin in the game so to speak but just wanted to point out that the whole thing with Corbyn and Brexit is seen completely differently outside the UK. In fact just today was listening to a radio discussion on how a successful deal would be far more likely with him. He is open to the single market and politically is closer to most EU leaders ideologically (with exceptions of course) And also at this stage he just seems far more stable than TM who unfortunately has presented herself on the international stage so far as a bit....Trump-y? Eccentric, sensitive and undiplomatic. In Ireland we really need a somewhat decent Brexit deal for all parties or it will be catastrophic for our own economy- Theresa May and all the (I'm sorry to say) utterly silly posturing does not inspire confidence.

Hillingdon

I think Took could do with some help regarding budgeting. Firstly she claims that 25% of kids are in poverty and then that she only as £8 to last a week. Something is going wrong.

You know you're really not a good advert for the tory voters. Those child poverty figures aren't something I made up and I have already posted links to several organisations including the British Medical Journal and Barnardos that back them up.

Also as already stated several times and LadyinCement I will say it again slowly as you're obviously a bit slow on the uptake, it is not every week that I only have £8 for food - we have an unpredictable and unreliable income that has to cover a high rent and bills. Sometimes that means we are extremely short of money. We are not alone in this.

Sigh..

But you have helped me to understand the mind of a tory voter more, so thank you for that. You seem to just refuse to accept the facts and that way you can carry on voting the way you do

Through It also seems illogical to give so much to students who are largely more middle class (we all know working class young people are less likely to go on to uni) and who are likely to earn more than the national average after graduating when there are others living in poverty

I didn't go to university btw. Did ok in the end but it just wasn't on my parents radar.

My DS has taken the university loan. Its his to pay back. I noticed on results day that some uni's were offering degrees with two E's.

I've not decided between Conservative or Lib Dem. It will not be Labour given the sucking up being done by Sturgeon.

took I don't think most posters disagree with you that your life does sound incredibly difficult and you are not prospering under the curent government. What people disagree on is that you think JC and the Labour Party will be the silver bullet to a long lasting better life for you and yours.

Objections are around the unaffordability of what he has proposed, and the fact that it will all be funded on debt, meaning the house of cards he will build will get higher and higher; and eventually fall faster and much worse and end up with you suffering even more.

Liken it to an addict wanting just one more hit - where the addict is JC and the hit is the money he will borrow. The best outcome is that he remains an addict, the worst is that he ODs and everything collapses.

I voted Conservative not to stick it to you even more, but to try and drag this country and everyone in it through the shit tip of Brexit with the least overall damage when we come out the other side. I honestly believe that JC in charge of Brexit and the UK would be a disaster of a magnitude far greater than what you are already fearing.

I would support abolishing tuition fees if we reduced the number of people going to university to (guessing wildly) 10%. Otherwise I don't think the spending can be justified for all the reasons upthread. Individual students are the beneficiaries of their degrees (and status etc) so it is entirely reasonable that they find it themselves.

He is bribing them to vote for him. The pensioners don't want their pensions affected thank you very much and want to leave their expensive houses to the grandchildren.

No one wants to pay for this and expecting large companies to stump up. They will move offshore and if its legal why wouldn't they.

What I am seeing on a number of these threads from the left wingers is that they agree with all the JC says, they are often taking out considerably more than they put in for all sorts of reasons good and bad. Why would they want it to change??

really - people are voting labour for the extra bank holidays
just what this country needs - the economy to take a further dip because everyone gets 4 extra days holiday when the UK won't be working.
I did not know existing student tuition fee debt would be waived - is that in the manifesto and if it is - has that been costed too
Like hillingdon I attended university in the 1960s when a small minority of school leavers went to university for which tuition fees were paid and small maintenance grants which were means tested (and was not enough without taking on postal deliveries at Christmas, working at Butlins as a chalet maid/waitress during the summer or fruit picking/shop work.)
How the whole university funding thing is feasible with 50% of leavers going to uni I despair. Blatant bribery for the young who will vote labour in their own self interest.
I am not too stressed if the conservatives remove the winter fuel allowance from pensioners (it is a very small amount that I will miss (annual income £13K so not rich) but it would not make me ever condone the labour ideas ) Rich pensioners don't need it.
A better idea would be to scrap it all together and add the amount £4 per week per houshold to those households on pension credit which is already means tested.

I haven't changed my mind.
People seem to forget that TM is running the country as well as campaigning (vital cobr meetings for example and today needing to deal with the Trump climate change thing).
I am pleased that the Tory manifesto includes some difficult decisions that alienate core supporters such as means testing the wfa and reconsidering the triple lock on pensions.
I am, however, disappointed in the quality of the campaign (and I have worked within it to some degree). The Tories had an open goal and have missed the target too often. Why they missed the issue of the cap on home care fees is beyond me. The Dilnot report was an entirely sensible solution.

I've got 3 in university from next September hillingdon and it's one thing I'd be interested to see what happens if labour win. I just cannot see the figures adding up.

Having both children going through university over the next 3 years it is so tempting to vote for something like this. It would save our family over £70k, however its not feasible.

Do a degree by all means but do think about why you are doing it and making it free will just encourage a bloated further education sector and micky mouse degree's. Have you seen what some of the Vice Principals are on salary wise in these institutions?

Yes Hillingdon! I can't comprehend why Corbyn wants to scrap tuition fees other than to win young voters. Even though they don't know what voting is. Cigarettes are heavily taxed because smokers are a massive burdon on the NHS, so in theory they're paying for their healthcare when they buy cigarettes. The same applies to university. People who don't go to university have to pay for people who want to study surf science at Plymouth or even worse, a Philosophy degree. Besides, the student loans company is really good, we only repay our loan when we earn over £21,000 and even then it's about £30-40 a month which is hardly a cost for a degree in something you're passionate about.

I think Took could do with some help regarding budgeting. Firstly she claims that 25% of kids are in poverty and then that she only as £8 to last a week. Something is going wrong.

I am directly affected by the university fees. I agree with them. 50% of people are now going to university. When I was young it was 5%.

I would not want to fund people messing around with noddy degree's on the tax payer.

If I could vote I would vote conservative

It seems that every time labor gets in money is throw around to everyone and then suddenly the pot is empty (Blair and brown I'm looking at you) and then the conservatives get in and have to tighten the belts again.

No not changed my mind. I don't agree with all the Tory policies but I don't see how Labour can make the numbers work.

Referring to the original question, TM has stuck to her pre-agreed schedule, it is JC who u-turned at the last minute, and decided to attend the monkey house debate!

I shall vote Conservative because I think that they're the best option, not because I agree with everything.

DD says some of her work colleagues (20s) are going to vote Labour because they want extra bank holidays.

DS is well hacked off with the Labour proposal to remove uni fees and cancel debts - he worked hard to earn money whilst studying, and we also contributed, to minimise his loan. He feels that it would be totally unfair for others who (in his words) concentrated on having fun, to have their loans waived. Fair point I think.

Nope, postal vote already in!