I think the tories will lose

Ravenblack Yes especially when disabled people are 'swinging the lead' right Raven? Or has your disablist opinion changed since last night?

I don't see right leaning people doing that to the left leaning people

We see what we want to see.

What we do know:

• Debt is skyrocketing
• the poor, disabled, sick and elderly are being attacked.
• The housing market is broken
• the NHS is in trouble
• schools are being defunded
• the economy is slowing

The Tories have:

• No plan for Brexit
• A thrown-together, un-costed, puff-filled manifesto
• No plans for economic growth
• Very questionable security stances (Trump)

Where is May?

well said pollyperky ...you said what I feel most succinctly and saved my typing most of that. Labour would be a disaster for this country - and it beggars belief that so many cannot see it within their own echo chamber of social media and as for the blatant appeal to the young with free uni tuition for 50% of school leavers is a nonsense.

As I said, I agree with Polly's posts too, and your too Ollie.

I also find it incredulous that people who are quite far left, often attack people personally who don't think as they do, and mock and berate. I don't see right leaning people doing that to the left leaning people.

I have found it is often the people who are against the proper training of the young and the tuition free University are the very same ones who hate the pesky foreigners - the doctors, the nurses, the social care workers - for coming here and working.

It's another thing that doesn't really make sense.

I think it's been totally screwed for the last 7 years hasn't it?

The country is royally screwed if he gets in.

As opposed to the country being royally screwed with the Tories at the helm. What is good about them?

[I am voting Lib Dem]

The country is royally screwed if he gets in

Like high debt, low growth, low productivity, low investment in infrastructure, inflation rising, low payrises, high rent, low pay.......

well said pollyperky
you said what I feel most succinctly and saved my typing most of that.
labour would be a disaster for this country - and it beggars belief that so many cannot see it within their own echo chamber of social media and as for the blatant appeal to the young with free uni tuition for 50% of school leavers is a nonsense.

Corbyn won't win. Common sense will prevail.

The country is royally screwed if he gets in.

eally really want him to win; but it doesn't look like it

OTOH - there might be a reduced Tory majority which would be ironic given she called the election because she thought she would get a landlside.

Or a hung Parliament.

Corbyn is a nice man, but his ideas are not doable. Anyone who thinks they are is deluded.

Oh yes, this is the way to persuade people

he's an incompetent fool looking for a few votes and further sticking the knife into the sensible policies of the blairites, I should think. Never miss an opportunity to stab the moderates Jeremy!

May is a sly bitch. She announced a snap election, when she knew the polls were in her favour. Even with Corbyn gaining momentum now there is only a week left and not enough Time for him to gather more support I think. I really really want him to win; but it doesn't look like it .

And now Jeremy Corbyn has apologised to young people for the introduction of tuition fees:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-apologises-to-young-people-for-labours-introduction-of-tuition-fees-10391434.html

So does that make him more electable in your view, Ravenblack? Or just a sign that he's financially incompetent?

I'm the one who told you not to be daft, Vango, also been on MN for years under real names. (It's a shame we poor users are so othered)..

@sinonella (page 12!)

Why isn't there anyone sensible in the middle? I mean - 60,000,000 people in Britain, and we're stuck with a choice between the policies of a cold blooded robot and an idealistic mathematically incompetent terrorist hugging dinosaur?!

😂😂

Best post on here yet! And utterly true. It's because of this that I am going to struggle with who to vote for. I keep swinging from one side to the other. I am currently leaning towards voting for May. Corbyn is a nice man, but his ideas are not doable. Anyone who thinks they are is deluded.

Completely agree with Pollyperky's posts (on page 12) AND Sionella's. Won't copy them all as they're long-ish, but here's a few snippets.

Polly...

Can you imagine the terror threat to the UK if Diane Can't add up Abbott was in charge of it all? And her side kick John who can't admit openly he wants to get rid of MI5? But we know that's what he wants. Are you so influenced by the mantra of 'more money for everything' that you fail to see what is behind it all? How Corbyn said -he'd want to invite ISIS to have a cup of tea with him to talk about peace and less 'terror'?

Sionella

People have forgotten what a real Labour Government means.

Polly...

People who want Corbyn (and Abbott as Home Secretary? Gawd, get real please) are being hoodwinked.

We ALL want what he promises- more money for EVERYTHING! Yay -bring it on!!!! Just one question- where is the money coming from? If you tax the tiny number of super rich you end up with LESS tax. See the research. They find ways to avoid tax or they work less hard.

If you increase corporation tax, do you think Nissan, and other companies currently employing people in the NE will stay here and continue to invest in the UK? No.

The only way to give people all they want is a sound economy. Nothing, just nothing,, is possible without it. You are completely deluded if you think labour can run the economy by using their Robin Hood approach.

Sionella...

The tax thing is absolutely true. I've given an example before from a few years ago where I flogged myself raw one year and earned an exceptional performance bonus of £10k. I mean, I worked about 14-18 hours a day; I worked most weekends; I cancelled 2 holidays; I did several stints of 48 hours without going home. At 40% tax that felt worth it. The following year I fell into the 62% tax band. It was not worth it, so I didn't do it. Instead of £4,000 tax, the treasury got nil. If you desentivise people, they won't do it. Or they'll go elsewhere and do it.

Agree with all this/these...

And let's not forget that it was LABOUR who brought in the uni tuition fees in the late 1990's! So whilst we are bashing the Tory's for tripling them, it was LABOUR who introduced them.

I imagine many of those who voted Brexit to give the elites a good kicking will now vote Tory because they think they will get the best Brexit deal.

People are weird like that.

Returning to the Op's question I don't think Labour will win - as much as I would like them to - but May not get the landslide she was betting on.

Hi @Seminormal, benefit fraud, like all fraud, of course is not acceptable. I can only reiterate for disability benefits the figures are actually low. Low does not mean non existent but low. And contrary to popular belief it I has never been easy to claim the disability benefit dla, now pip, medical Evidence has always been required. Are the fraud cases you refer to for disability benefits such as PIP?

In 2010 the condem govt through their welfare reform bill made it clear they wanted to cut the disability benefit DLA by 20% despite low fraud for this benefit. They are trying to achieve this by replacing DLA with PIP which has more narrow criteria. E.g. 50,000 people have lost their mobility cars as the walking distance to get high rate mobility has gone from 50 metres to 20 metres.

They outsourced disability assessments to private companies who are underscoring claimants in high numbers as testified by the high numbers appealing and winning on appeal. Disabled benefits have faced brutal cuts and the assessment process is stressful and making many claimants health worse.

I like John McDonnel but would not trust Jeremy Corbyn as far as I could throw him.
Lost people tend to be social democrats but brexit has to go through to save our country.
The EU is an anti-democratic basket case. Run by smug geeks that are riding that cash cow as long as they can.
When Greece, Italy and Spain finally switch the lights off and Germany can no longer afford to fund its vanity project then we'll all be glad that we are out.
Britain always has been a safe haven for those in need. That should never change but we certainly do need to know just who is actually here.
Most people have sympathy, of course, but we should look after our own before we start trying to solve the problems of the world.
Last time I checked there is abundant poverty and deprivation in this country and gat needs sorting.
Cotbyn's unlimited immigration will make this worse. Of course the fact that immigrants almost always vote labour has nothing to do with that ......

No they won't.

There are far more silent tories than noisy left wingers. And silent ukippers too.

Happy to be proved wrong but don't think I will be.

The young vote has no knowledge of a true labour government and the 30-40s group remember the Blair years that were capitalist with a nod to metropolitan socialist causes

I also remember thatcher being a young child. I'm mid 30s.

There are no simple answers on how to defeat Isis. On the channel 4 program earlier this week when an audience member asked Corbyn about tackling terrorism from the Middle East he said regarding Isis that the we need to cut off funds to Isis and arming them. The UK sells arms to Saudi Arabia who many believe support Isis as Isis ideology has developed from Wahibism that is from Saudi Arabia.

I don't think Corbyn is suggesting dialogue with Isis directly is possible being as he recognises they wouldn't ever be interested in dialogue.