I think the tories will lose

People don't care about money being wasted, they are happy to throw more money at it rather than look to make sure things are done efficiently first so the money that is being given is value add

Hilarious given the context on the latest posts about how much money is being completely wasted with the disability benefit reforms.

maybe it's this woman

this man has a bad back

Apologies. Phone froze while I was trying to post. Then I saw yours!

Raven: As I said, how do they know I am not disabled?

Are you?

I'm not, nor do I have anyone in my family that is, but I still manage to view the subject with a modicum of compassion - and not to make spurious and unsupported claims as to fake claimants...whilst ignoring the figures that are posted up in response.

You are conscience-salving IMO. Easier not to think about the devastating effect that austerity is having on people with illness and/or disabilities.

Raven don't rise to the bait. I have on here consistently given examples of where I have seen money wasted in public sector especially in my organisation. People don't care about money being wasted, they are happy to throw more money at it rather than look to make sure things are done efficiently first so the money that is being given is value add. I mean noone would personally waste their own money in this way.

Thanks Garden! Would a new tax on homeowners not be preferable to education cuts though?

Oh FFS @justanotherposter No I wasn't being disablist but you keep telling yourself I was if that makes you feel better!
No it's not your fault. You were just repeating what you've read in the Tory press and seen on the tellybox. Whilst other people tried to give you the actual government figures. But you're so brainwashed by your Tory press and tellybox that you didn't believe them. It must be soooo hard being you.

So, what about the fact that 50,000 people have lost their mobility cars are they all 'swinging the lead?

I think, with all due respect, that posters ought to be able to justify their chosen party's agenda if they enter into a public debate on a thread such as this. Likewise engaging with the argument about the offensiveness or otherwise of party policies.

So it's acceptable to you now that genuine people, with severe learning disabilities, cancer, ms etc. can't get disability benefits?

Because it's stops that minuscule percent from getting a few bob a month?

Yeah, seems totally worth it.

Yes. Raven did,

'FGS I said that some people deserve to be on disability, but that many have been swinging the lead for many years'

Oh FFS @justanotherposter No I wasn't being disablist but you keep telling yourself I was if that makes you feel better!

Thanks Livia.

I said 'have pretended' meaning in the past, before the new rules.

Has anyone said 'many' people did this?

FFS, it's not THAT difficult to see I wasn't being fucking 'disablist!'

Seems harder for you to accept that you were being though but you do you I guess

Raven I reported her despicable post too

Thanks @sittin and @garden

Yes I do think what was said (by @synestergates on page 8) was pretty evil. Wicked thing to say. Wishing disability in me. Hopefully others will report the post and not just me. As I said, how do they know I am not disabled?

@sittinonthefloor

It is not disablist to point out that some people have pretended to be disabled to claim benefits they are not entitled too - and thus reduced the 'pot' for the genuine claimants. Stress, back pain, anxiety etc are not difficult to fake. It's not wrong to be cross about this - I'd have thought the people in real need would be angriest of all! We need a rational discussion of how to allocate the funding - not just a load of shouting! What system can we have that perfectly balances providing for the vulnerable ensuring no one slips through the net with encouraging those who can work / seek work to do so?

THIS ^ I am not attacking disabled, just merely pointing out that the people who have been claiming when there is little wrong with them, (or who DID have something wrong but are now better and are still claiming, like those with a bad back that has healed!) THEY are the ones who are (probably) responsible for all the WCA's and grilling tests that GENUINELY disabled people have to endure.

FFS, it's not THAT difficult to see I wasn't being fucking 'disablist!'

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Stress, back pain, anxiety etc are not difficult to fake

You have no clue about the assessment do you, I'll link to a website go and read it if youre not too small minded you probably are though right?, it has no political bias just facts

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/

Fucking educate yourself before more people die from being treated as worthless by the tory party or have assessors lie about the procedure just to deny people money they are entitled to

Because you aren't going to hear from a Tory Voter, and I think it's fairly obvious why. Like brexiteers, any time any pop up, they get shouted down.

Here's the thing - voting for someone different does not make a person thick, evil, ignorant etc etc etc. I have friends who vote the opposite way to me - it doesn't make them or me bad pekple

I hope you're right! They're all useless but she has to go.

sit 1) If you think people get PiP for back pain and stress you very obviously have no idea how hard it is to claim. Whilst those things may indeed be easy to exaggerate, both GP and Consultant evidence is required.
2) It is a myth that any fraud reduces the pot for other claimants. The amount received is a fixed amount. If the 0.5% fraud drops to 0.2% or increases to 10% nothing changes for those claiming.
It is disablist to claim that many disabled people are faking it.
If there's an issue to be discussed, then perhaps it could be phrased more sensitively instead of tarring many disabled people with the benefit scrounging scum brush.

Stress, back pain, anxiety etc are not difficult to fake

Just taking a wild guess here.

You've never seen how a pip, DLA or esa assessment works have you?

Because people with cancer, no legs or arms, ms, Parkinson's, severe learning disabilities are being tirned down!

Is that hard to understand?

Genuine people with multiple letters from consultants can't get the bloody benefits, how the hell do you think Uncle George walks in with a dodgy back and stress and gets the lot?!

Why do you say I'm not looking for discussion? I genuinely am, and I don't think I've been rude to anyone tonight?