Corbyn, am I the only one?

This is MN and incredibly left wing. You'll
never get anything other than how wonderful Corbyn , Abbott and co are on this site.

It's quite terrifying really to think he could be PM and Abbott as Home Secretary.

< Dons hard hat >

But the reason you feel alone is because Conservative is still seen as right-wing which publically is seen as bad - as opposed to left being good
If you vote Tory you are voting for more austerity, higher taxes (they haven't said they won't increase taxes, remember), privatisation in the NHS, cuts in education (which will mean fewer teachers and possibly no TA's - it's already happening) and an attack on the oldest, poorest and weakest in our society.

Now I know what Therese was up to tonight!

*If you enforce high pay you get lots of well paying jobs until they are automated out of existence.

Remember secretaries? Typing pools? They got expensive so they went.

Postcapitalist is post innovatio. If you can get a living wage for doing little with no responsibility and no risk why would you start a business for little reward?

You can prepare for lots of retail shops closing as well - vast Amazon warehouses with automated picking and packing will replace the high street. I hear you cry we will make them pay taxes - you can until they're the only option - then the companies will squeeze back.

Banks are already going, the town I live in had 4 banks in January, by the end of June it will have 1. We had a supermarket, now we don't.*
How do you automate a hairdresser, a waitress, a builder etc out of existence? Because these are the kinds of jobs that are paying minimum wage. If they were paid more they would be spending more and would pay more tax. I agree with you about banks. We used to have four banks. Now we have none. I don't think you can blame Labour for that as they're not in government?

Brexit is going to happen - there is no mechanism for reversing article 50.

but if SNP represented UK I would go with their team

I take it you are living in England and don't see the mess the SNP have made in Scotland.

Sturgeon has taken a year to go from most popular leader to least popular.

@arseofinfinity you are right it that my preference is no brexit who want to pay a big bill... at the end of the day which ever party come into power will have a hard negotiation... and for this you need a team behind you.

In my view Torys have a stronger team.. but if SNP represented UK I would go with their team.

their is no left and right any more, and in some respects Conservatives are being more left wing and in some respects Labour more right wing -- and no I cba to explain that because its quite long and I have spent a long time on other threads explaining why

You can't be asked to explain it because it's complete horse shit.

Also is the action of Jeremy Corbyn not considered as a last minute u turn?? I wish lib Dems were a stronger party...

MummyShah369

So you want to avoid brexit? So you think brexit will be bad?

So you go from no brexit to voting for a party that will happily leave with no deal (that's the industry in this country fucked and say bye bye to money), have already pissed off the eu, won't protect the rights of eu migrants and their leader won't even show up for a debate but apparently could be all difficult and tough for the eu ( sure they are shaking in their boots, she couldn't even face to face debate for her own election)

And you, who are against leaving the eu, will choose them ^ over a party that at least has guaranteed free tariff access for trade with the eu and guaranteed the rights of eu migrants. (Labour, we all know lib dem won't get it, it's a two horse race this time that will determine exactly how we brexit)

How the hell is conservative brexit better than a labour one?

Totally agree OP. I hate that I agree because I'd love to vote Labour.

He's a lunatic. When he first came in I thought I could see why traditional labour voters may like him but I don't see that now either! No substance and bumbles like an angry old man. Also keeps trying to paint himself as part of the peace process in NI yet Tony Blair let him nowhere near it, I think you'll find that was Mo Mowlam love now piss off!

You do realise Amber Rudd's father died 2 days ago? I don't think calling her a c* is acceptable.

@arseofinfinity simple reasoning I would rather avoid brexit so lib Dems but if brexit is going to happen Torys as we need a majority

I am torn between lib Dems and tory

I'm interested.

How the hell did your two choices get narrowed down to that? Because as far as I can see their policies couldn't be more polar opposite?

Have you watched any if the debates?

Increase Tax and companies will find a loop hole or cleaver scheme to dodge it!! I am torn between lib Dems and tory... heck I would vote SNP if they represented London.. they were convincing in the debate.

If you enforce high pay you get lots of well paying jobs until they are automated out of existence.

Remember secretaries? Typing pools? They got expensive so they went.

Postcapitalist is post innovatio. If you can get a living wage for doing little with no responsibility and no risk why would you start a business for little reward?

You can prepare for lots of retail shops closing as well - vast Amazon warehouses with automated picking and packing will replace the high street. I hear you cry we will make them pay taxes - you can until they're the only option - then the companies will squeeze back.

Banks are already going, the town I live in had 4 banks in January, by the end of June it will have 1. We had a supermarket, now we don't.

We should all vote for him, after all he has a money tree. Anyone requiring money can go to it on a unicorn (the unicorn transport is free, it only needs fresh air to stay alive and it shits silver coins).

Silver is finite. Money in its current form is not. We can create as much money as we want, and Ann Pettifor is advocating just that, as is Steve Keen, in the form of QE for the people. Considering one is a former BoE employee and member of the MPC and the other is a world renowned professor of economics I'll take their view over yours.
A Postcapitalist world is coming, and you neoliberals need to see that we'e sick of your shit. Your trickle down bullshit (which I called to my mates in 1985) has been proved to be the opposite, namely flood up.

Very nicely said Jimmy! I think JC is ace - even more so after tonight's debate. Amber Rudd came across as a right cunt.

Yes .... the big lie.
Corporation tax was 28% in 2010.
The Tories cut it to 20% and plan to cut it further to 18% by 2020.
This is the lowest rate in the G20. The lowest.
Now ..... job creation since 2010 - 80% of jobs created since 2010 - those jobs that the Tories are so proud of - 80% of them are in industries that pay less that £7.95 per hour. These are called 'low paid industries'. So yeah ... there is a fucking magic money tree and it's being exploited by the Tories to help the rich get even richer.
Employment in high paying jobs has increased but people in middle earning jobs have also been struggling as these middle earning jobs have disappeared and they have been forced to work for minimum wage.
Public sector employees have also borne the brunt of Tory austerity as wages have been cut by 14% in real terms.
So .... after seven years of low corporation tax would it not have been reasonable to expect to have seen some kind of 'trickle down' if it was going to happen? Because we haven't seen it. I wonder why?

Jimmygrimble, the big lie? Really.

Let me see, successful companies, invest in themselves and staff and grow more and more successful fact!. The more successful businesses, the more jobs, the more money being spent which in turn creates more jobs fact!. All of that is taxable, so the more successful businesses the more tax and the more money for the government to spend on health, those that can't work etc fact!

That's not a great lie, it's called capitalism and it works, it's not perfect but it works. The alternative Socialism is similar except there are no middle class and the poor are poorer as there is no money being paid in to help them.

A great old saying from Russia was 'we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us' . Socialism an acedemic ideology but has no practical application, as the failed examples all over the work show.

Another old saying is ' if your not a socialist when your young, you don't have a heart, but if your a socialist when your older, you don't have a brain.'

I commend the sentiment, the caring and the idea of sharing. But people aren't all equal. Some are weak and other strong. Some are clever, some at not, some work hard, some do not, some take without care, others give/share without thought etc etc . It's called being human. So we can all strive to do our best, pay our way, achieve for ourselves and maybe help a little and for most that works really well.

Of course we need to help the most vulnerable and helpless. But the rest need to help themselves too maybe....

Jimmy I'm just going to point out that millions of ordinary hardworking people have pensions. Billions of pounds of pension money is invested in corporations. So, actually for the shareholders to get loads of money it's a good thing for because indirectly via our pensions we are the shareholders! Or did you consider shareholders to just be greedy rich cunts that stop the rest of us from having anything and plunge children into poverty?

*He's obviously a man of principle, honest and a hardworking polictician. I think even his detractors would concede that+

Well, I think the op goes too far,I don't think he's a massive knob. Although I agree with her other sentiments.

However, I don't think he's a man of Principle or honest. I think he is lying to the British public. Lying about his previous terrorism activities, he lied over his brexit feelings and he lied over that stupid train photo. I also think he's lying about what he can achieve and promising people pink unicorns that if he did get in he couldn't deliver and if he could he would have to take something else away...like take away benefits if min wage goes to ten pounds and leave em worse off. He knows he can't do it and he's lying to get votes, like he lied about those other things

I do think he is hard working though. If you call what he's done for years work.

Ah .... the big lie. If business is profitable and wages are low then the wealth and prosperity will trickle down to the rest of us.
Now that's the real fairy story.
Of course business are backing the Tories. A low wage, low tax economy puts money in their shareholder's pockets.