You know what, Corbyn could actually win this election.

I hope he does win!!

Has anyone else noticed that The Daily Mail are a bit lukewarm on the whole thing? When Ed Milliband was running they were really strongly against him. They ran a lot of negative articles about him and they had loads of articles about how wonderful David Cameron was.

There have been a few slightly negative articles about Corbyn, but no where near the volume there was against Ed and the articles about Theresa May are not as strongly positive either. In fact there have been a few articles almost critical of Theresa May and the Tories. I just wonder what's going on behind the scenes here. Has anyone else noticed it?

Disclaimer: I only read The Mail Online for the celeb stories not for political news but I do skim the headlines

If more people voted then it's possible but with turn out rates at under 50% it's unlikely. Tory voters are more likely to turn out.

I love the 'can't be bothered to engage'/ 'they'll just make out I'm evil' argument for not making your Tory view known. It's cowardly and shows you don't really have a leg to stand on other than 'selfish reasons'. Sadly, the silent majority are happy with their selfish reasons, but I do agree they are hard to defend.

^ This.

I love the 'can't be bothered to engage'/ 'they'll just make out I'm evil' argument for not making your Tory view known. It's cowardly and shows you don't really have a leg to stand on other than 'selfish reasons'. Sadly, the silent majority are happy with their selfish reasons, but I do agree they are hard to defend.

I live in South Norfolk which is proper conservative territory so I find it really interesting (and refreshing) that Labour is being well supported on mumsnet and in social media. I have to be honest though and say I don't think they stand any chance of winning, but maybe I just think that because of the part of the world in which I live. (I used to live in very left wing south London).

I hope so. The delight of the British voting system is how the short terms under different political systems stop us from extremism. Currently, the national debt has continued to rise under the Conservatives. Interest rates are pitiful. Our savings are losing value in relation to inflation. 'Strong and stable' is a laughable phrase given the suffering of those without health or wealth. The health service and state education are at desperate levels of funding. My mother has had a stroke and is bedbound and has had to wait 6 months for a.dental visit at home.
Some issues need to be addressed: free parking for nhs staff at least. University education - we have managed in.the past without loans.
I believe the main difficulty for Corbyn is that the majority of newspapers are controlled by Conservative financiers who delight at denouncing him.
Read both manifestos and vote with your heart for the majority, not for the personality.

LittleBear, I'm hoping no one will have to pay it as I'm hoping we will ultimately remain one way or another. But my point is more that people react with horror at the prospect of financing healthcare and education but don't bat an eyelid at flushing away tens of billions on this bollocksy idea. Why aren't those who are scoffing at Labour's finances and insisting the money just isn't there also protesting this immense cost and huffing about magic money trees? How do they envisage anyone paying for Brexit when they can't imagine this country can afford basic provisions? The idea that the Tories are good with finances is laughable; it's sad that people consider health, education and welfare to be out of the realms of possibility and that the Tories perpetuate this myth.

I will vote Lib Dem because in my area the Lib Dems came a very close second to the Tories in 2015 with Labour at about a third of the Tory / Lib Dem vote.

I am à Labour supporter but will do whatever it takes to remove May.

smeating I really want to vote Labour, but I'm also torn over tactical voting as I'm in a LD area.. What do i do....??

As much as I would love it, I don't hold any hope in polls anymore after the last election, Brexit and Trump fiascos! We can hope for less of a landslide victory but I'm convinced it'll be Tory for another five years.

Captain

WellErrr, where will the Tories get the money for Brexit? There is a lot of talk about Labour's sums not adding up but if anyone is relying on a magic money tree, it's the Conservatives who intend to produce billions of pounds to pay the bill for leaving the EU.

Labour would have to pay the same bill. That hasn't been costed, along with their nationalisation plans.

Good point Grange. I hate it when people opine at length and then you find out they aren't even planning to vote.

The Tories will win. The best we can ask for is that it isn't the landslide victory that was originally predicted.

Agreed fuzzy talk about um and erm those are her favourite utterances
What a car crash but it made me laugh

I think that's exactly why FB etcakes him appear more popular than he will actually be on the day Sense. Unfortunately, those groups express views (or more likely, like others' views) on social media but few of them vote.

Well after that car crash interview May just did. Anything is possible. How we're supposed to trust her with the EU lot when she crumbles and resorts to rhetoric after some very plain questions.

She had an easy time and she fell apart.

I'm not so sure about 'echochambers', it's just another chuffing buzzword that everyone's picked up and likes to chuck around.

I use plenty of social-media, and believe me, it's generally the left-wing who enjoy a bit of vocal shoutyness.

I just roll my eyes and hold my whisht, largely because it's pointless trying to engage someone who's ranting, and let's face it, political discussions on social media are not exactly measured affairs.

It occurs to me that if you are young, hard up and fed up with the status quo, voting for Corbyn could seem like an appealing, rebellious, 'fuck the elite' kind of gesture. If you had that mindset then the more the papers decry him as useless and a Labour government as disastrous, the more attractive voting Labour could seem.

I've no idea if this is what anyone actually thinks, but I am wondering if JC (said to be a surprisingly effective campaigner in person) has steathily positioned himself as a kind of Trump of the left, to young voters at least-the more the vested interests tell you not to vote for me, the more you should kind of thing.

'Means' nothing, not beens, obviously.

I hope to fuck not.

Social media beens nothing, my FB feed was full of remainers, it is now full of anti-Tory hyperbole.

Same with MN, the left wing are always more vocal because they believe the right-wing are evil rhetoric, hence anyone who is right-wing for perfectly sensible reasons can't be arsed with the ballache of actually engaging.

I am not sure how this one was going to go, I successfully predicted the EU referendum, and the Trump election. For both of those there was a noticeable undercurrent of discontent that was the opposet of the polls

This election isn't so easy. I think that there is the potential for the conservatives to loose. There is enough of a opposition. However the opposition is fractured between Lib/Lab. So TM will win.

The only way for lab to win would be for every Lib voter to vice lLab tactically

WellErrr, where will the Tories get the money for Brexit? There is a lot of talk about Labour's sums not adding up but if anyone is relying on a magic money tree, it's the Conservatives who intend to produce billions of pounds to pay the bill for leaving the EU. And we know they won't be taking it from the rich, so...austerity to the extreme beckons. My question would be, how could anyone vote for that? Labour have costed their manifesto, the Tories haven't. Why is that?

I don't think Labour will win but they have rallied more than anyone expected so I hope we will at least have a robust opposition to hold the government to account. That's the best thing for democracy. I'd love a galvanising of the young to vote and really change the political landscape. I would love to give Labour's promises a go - their manifesto offers the opportunity for real progress. But I know better than to hope, after the disappointments of the recent elections. The control of the media by Tory-backing billionaires who want to protect their tax status will no doubt hand May the victory she has banked on - but I desperately hope it won't be as decisive as she envisaged.

I actually think that he WILL win it

I do, however, think it will be a lot closer than first thought

I feel the same butterfly. To be honest Brexit and Trump have both had me beyond rattled, so I am seriously not holding out any hope at all. If I am wrong I will be UTTERLY delighted but I can't cope with false hope