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You know what, Corbyn could actually win this election.

182 replies

surferjet · 22/05/2017 19:05

He really could, the polls are looking good for labour.
TM might regret her decision to call this snap election.

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LilaBard · 30/05/2017 23:35

No, no influence I shouldn't think But it's hardly the point. I find it ridiculous that Corbyn is being condemned for speaking to Sinn Fein while the Conservatives have an ex IRA member in their party. Its hypocracy.
I mean, would people have preferred no-one reached out to terrorist groups (from both sides)? In order for talks to start, someone has to do the talking ffs.

LilaBard · 30/05/2017 23:35

No, no influence I shouldn't think But it's hardly the point. I find it ridiculous that Corbyn is being condemned for speaking to Sinn Fein while the Conservatives have an ex IRA member in their party. Its hypocracy.
I mean, would people have preferred no-one reached out to terrorist groups (from both sides)? In order for talks to start, someone has to do the talking ffs.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 30/05/2017 23:28

Yes the Tory councillor has been mentioned many times

And what influence will this local councillor on government policies erm none

And not a Tory voter

JimmyGrimble · 30/05/2017 23:27

JustAnotherPoster00
Thanks for the link. That's really interesting.

LilaBard · 30/05/2017 23:21

Not sure if it's been mentioned (haven't read all comments) but you guys know the Tories literally have an ex ira member as a councillor right?
I understand a lot do not agree with Sinn Fein but people like Corbyn talking to them is what got the peace process rolling. Thatchers government held talks with them too, they just did it on secret.
As someone from NI it makes me really cross that the only time we are mentioned in this election is to drag up the past to try and score points. What about the current issues we face in 2017? NHS? RHI? Our women and LGBT folk being treated as second class citizens in comparison to mainland GB?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 30/05/2017 23:11

anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/

On the corbyn/ira connection

ClaudiaApfelstrudel · 30/05/2017 21:35

what I don't understand is there is so much scrutiny on Corbyn and the IRA, something that may or may not have happened 30 years ago, yet Theresa May who is selling arms to the Saudis and Erdogan RIGHT NOW is seen as somehow being 'safe'.

It's complete madness!!

HackAttack · 28/05/2017 18:28

I'm a labour voter however no ranting here just a genuine question for Tory supporters. Why are you so convinced Tories are the better party fiscally when the deficit has increased during recent austerity measures?

Aggieisback1 · 28/05/2017 18:24

The IRA were utterly wrong and horrific in the atrocities they perpetrated. But why if people insist on potential leaders condemning them do they not also insist on them condemning the members of the Parachute Regiment who shot dead 11 civilians on Bloody Sunday, or the police chiefs whose actions lead to the wrongful incarceration of the Birmingham Six, plus those behind the Hillsborough Cover up?

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 28/05/2017 17:15

you need to read up on your history of Sinn Fein and the IRA

And the Brighton Bombing

And it is relevant today becuase once again we are at risk from terrorist attacked and once again innocent people are dying and once again our security services are (as always) risking their safety to keep us safe

Corbyn has total disregard for our security service members that lost their lives during the IRA campaign and people think he is the right person to lead our country when we face difficulties like we have this week

He is a disgrace it's such a pity he wasn't kicked out of the party years ago

Still he shall be on the back benches soon

bruffian · 28/05/2017 16:25

It's totally relevant to me as a 50+ voter.

bruffian · 28/05/2017 16:24

It's annoying when people try and rewrite history.
Also I think Corbyns speech about foreign policy being responsible for terrorism was wrong.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/05/2017 16:21

Ok, so if Corbyn got in what policys do you feel he would try and get through parliament that would benefit the now disbanded IRA?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 28/05/2017 16:01

Oh come off it Piglet who's trying to erase history? Id love to know what your motive is I really would lol

Diane Abbott on Marr this morning for starters.

I have no motive. Shock horror strangely enough people disagree with you.

I have said before numerous times my friend lost her mum in a bomb and she has life changing injuries in another so yes it matters to me and many others!

JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/05/2017 15:55

Oh come off it Piglet who's trying to erase history? Id love to know what your motive is I really would lol

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 28/05/2017 15:52

Are you also aware that this news is 30 years old and hardly relevant

To some it is very relevant. You can't just erase people's history as much as Abbott seems to think you can when it suits her

JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/05/2017 15:47

Because we remember Corbyn, his alliance with the IRA and his backbench irritation with the labour party.

Do you mean Sinn Fein?

Still havent figured out that the trope youre using doesnt really apply anymore having been put into context or just disproved but you'll keep telling yourself it does, but doesnt matter how many times you repeat it people are aware of his past so meh it is what it is Hmm

What policies do you think will be affected by his used to be association but we seem to have upgraded to alliance with IRA, how would he get those through parliament?

Are you also aware that this news is 30 years old and hardly relevant

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 28/05/2017 15:02

Yes the Labour Party moved to the left, decided and lost elections

Kinnock paved the way for changes to be made sadly John Smith died then came along Blair and Labour won three consecutive general elections

Let's hope the party can pull itself together and become electable sooner this time

bruffian · 28/05/2017 14:20

Because we remember Corbyn, his alliance with the IRA and his backbench irritation with the labour party.

Tanith · 28/05/2017 14:17

I asked my question because "life-long" voters say they are unable to vote for Corbyn yet, during the 80s, the Labour party was even further left wing and far more divided.

Some even left to form a second party, further splitting the Left wing vote. It's my opinion that May has made a tactical error in calling an election, stopping the divisions actively splitting Labour into two parties again.

What is so different now that prevents you from voting Labour? And why do you prefer that the Conservatives should continue their policies rather than vote to remove them from power?

bruffian · 28/05/2017 09:08

Yes me too enthusiasm

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 28/05/2017 08:40

All these "life-long" Labour voters - how long have they been voting, I wonder? Since the Blair Government?

No since way before then. However carry on with your wrong assumptions.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 28/05/2017 07:31

First time I could vote in the GE was 1992 so Kinnock was leading the party then

mewkins · 28/05/2017 07:28

Whatever the outcome, I hope he remains the party leader (and I didn't feel that way a few weeks ago).

"He has engaged people in politics that others could not, he has shown that some in power do listen irrespective of your background or circumstances. He has given people hope for a kinder future."

^this. I would love Labour to win but even if they don't I am so pleased with the gains they have made and the impact on young people who have previously felt totally disengaged with politics. This is massively important for the future.

And I don't think anyone would disagree that Corbyn is a different type of politician and I hope this also inspires properly passionate and kind people to run for MP in future.