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Will you vote on the basis of the candidate or the party they stand for?

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lucydogz · 08/05/2017 19:43

We've got a good local MP, but I don't support the party they stand for. Still not sure how to vote and would be interested to hear how others decide.

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Riversleep · 16/05/2017 19:29

I agree mummytime. The only choice we had after the 2010 election was a minority Tory government or a coalition government with the Lib Dems. Even if they had teamed up with Labour, they wouldn't have been able to form a government. A minority Tory government would probably have meant another election a few months later where they might have scraped a majority, which they did in 2015. The Lib Dems held the Tories to account, insisted on some of the better policies were implemented and facilitated a stable government. Yet they were punished how? By people voting against them and for a majority Tory government! It cant all have been because f a naive promise on tuition fees. The Tories and the press really stitched them up on that one and knew they would see the end of them. Labour have seen the end of themselves. They dont need any help!

mummytime · 16/05/2017 18:03

The LibDems do seem to be held to a higher standard of behaviour than other parties. And I thought that promise was naive at the time, but then no one expected them to get power. Just as to be honest no one really expects Jeremy to get into power.

I do feel betrayed by the way Jeremy didn't stand up to the Tories over Brexit, not allowing a free vote or supporting the amendments.

But I grew up in a safe Labour area so am quite cynical towards them.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 16/05/2017 15:36

Will Jeremy Corbyn really abolish tuition fees?

In my opinion yes (I will admit to a pro Corbyn bias here tho mummytime)

The reason I think so because of the direction hes taking the party and hopefully the country, by creating the NES (national education service) which encompasses all of pre, primary, secondary and tertiary education he is aiming to bring education to the masses in the same way that the NHS brought health to the masses, yes I know everyone has access to education right now but there is no parity, by eliminating the fees at tertiary its allowing those from poorer backgrounds, people who want/need to retrain from having to put themselves in debt, a well educated population is not a bad thing for the growth of britain whether in or out of the EU

Sunshinegirls · 16/05/2017 14:55

Definitely the party, it's about policies not personality

caitlinohara · 16/05/2017 09:29

mummytime probably because they banged on about it so much. It was one of the reasons they won so many votes from young people. Don't get me wrong - I am not defending the Tories or Labour - but the LibDems lost tons of votes after they had been in coalition, because people felt betrayed that they had voted tactically to remove the Tories and then just ended up with the same old. It's not necessarily a solution, is all I'm saying, without looking at the personalities involved.

I am still undecided. My local MP is APPALLING - lazy, ultra right wing, probably rubbing his hands with glee at the prospect of bringing back fox hunting. I think I would voted for anyone who stood the best chance of unseating the lazy f*er.

mummytime · 15/05/2017 22:35

Is that the one that said I should vote SNP? A bit hard in SE England.

And why do (usually Labour supporters) always bang on about Tuition fees? Lib Dems weren't the major party in government and did modify the Conservative position, which the Conservatives have been modifying towards unlimited fees and a small or no threshold before repayments start.

Will Jeremy Corbyn really abolish tuition fees?

How many promises have Conservatives and Labour broken over the years?

silkybear · 15/05/2017 14:03

www.whoshallivotefor.com/

caitlinohara · 15/05/2017 13:58

Mariposa Not round here they don't. They consistently come in third place, and that'll be the same for many places in the south west. I presume you are talking locally for you?

MariposaNieve · 15/05/2017 13:54

For the party.

I will be voting Labour purely because they are only party that stands a real chance of getting the Tories out.

caitlinohara · 15/05/2017 13:51

It's all very well looking at manifestos, but we all know that parties don't always stick to them (Lib Dems and tuition fees anyone?) so it can only be one part of the decision making process. This also means that tactical voting is unreliable, since this tends to benefit the LibDems, and you cannot be sure what they will do, since they basically seem to jump on any bandwagon going and then desert it when they actually get into power - again - tuition fees!

A really good, hardworking local MP is what you need, regardless of their party affiliations. I would add to Exploded's list - how did they come out of the expenses scandal?

ExplodedCloud · 14/05/2017 11:46

If your MP is a decent constituency MP then it's worth taking a look at their voting record. I think there's a site called They Work For You. So you can see whether they always toe the party line. Would they put their constituency above the party? Were they in line with your referendum vote? Any other issues you feel strongly about?

mummytime · 14/05/2017 11:36

The fact that you are here shows you are a thoughtful voter. So look at the policies, look at the candidates and think about what is most important to you. Is in Brexit - then vote for the person with the best chance who is closest to your views. Is it the NHS - then vote for the person whose promises are genuine and is most likely to win in your constituency.
This is a link for the issues for the Lib Dems : www.libdems.org.uk/issues

This is a link to get the labour manifesto : www.labour.org.uk/index.php/manifesto/2017

And this is the best i could get for the Conservatives www.conservatives.com/

Other parties will have similar sites, and there are websites to help you decide how to use a tactical vote and even to swap your vote with someone in a target seat for the party you prefer.

Toffeewhirl · 14/05/2017 10:20

I will be voting tactically this time. I've learned my lesson since the last election.

Squeegle · 14/05/2017 09:48

We should all vote tactically for the party that is closest to our beliefs. I can't belief so many people are happy to sit and watch while the NHS is destroyed by the tories. How many red flags do we need?

AnnaNimmity · 12/05/2017 09:24

Surely the priority has to be to get the tories and all they stand for out?

I live in Jeremy Corbyn's constituency . He has a huge majority and is apparently a good consituency mp. It would take such a huge swing to get him out, so even if I didn't want the tories out, my vote doesn't really count.

I think people should be voting tactically.

HappydaysArehere · 12/05/2017 09:14

Our Tory candidate is a more or less invisible. He is useless but in a safe seat. I used to vote Labour but cannot do this anymore. I am not happy with the Liberals and UKIP well that is the pits. So I am voting for a useless nobody.

Coppersulphate · 09/05/2017 23:21

Party because of their policies.

Demant0 · 09/05/2017 21:48

I so don't know who to vote for. Lib dem is just a joke so not them. I like Corbyn but not the people around him and am not sure he'll be able to effectively fund the policies they are proposing anyway. not keen on Tory as am not traditionally a conservative. But I voted to leave the EU and so want to see that followed through with so might have to go with Theresa, albeit a bit reluctantly.

It's so hard this time around.

cdtaylornats · 09/05/2017 21:22

I like many, many, things about the SNP, except Independence

The SNP is nothing but independence. It really doesn't matter what you think an SNP vote is a vote to have an IndyRef.

Twooter · 09/05/2017 17:36

Squishy- I am very anti- independence. If the SNP could swing the Brexit result to mean the Scots want independence, then they'll certain say that SNP votes in a GE do.

Hoppinggreen · 09/05/2017 07:57

I have voted a certain way in every election since I was 18.
However, our local Liberal Councillor has decided to stand for MP here. I have met him a few times and I was involved in organising a couple of local events he gave support to.I know he is very active locally. He is extremely hands on and will pitch in and help if required ( even if there isn't a photographer from the local paper there). There have also been a few local issues I have asked for help with and he has replied to my email the same day and tried to help sort things out.
Given all that and the fact that he's a throughly nice man I can't really NOT vote for him.

squishysquirmy · 09/05/2017 07:49

I'm in Scotland too, Twooter, and although a second Independence ref is a factor in who I vote for, it is not the only consideration. I live in a safe SNP seat, and I really like my MP. I like many, many, things about the SNP, except Independence..... If a second referendum wasn't on the table, I would definitely vote for them this year. I probably will anyway - I worry too much that this constituency could turn blue otherwise, but will be doing so reluctantly.

ALL the Conservative marketing I've seen is about independence - even the council election leaflets had Ruth Davidson plastered all over them with a "only the Tories can stop it" sort of message. If anything, that has put me off them more. There is barely a mention of any other issue, nothing about Brexit, nothing about TM, and very, very, little about the actual local candidates (for council or GE).

Its a UK wide GE, not a Holyrood election, and they are trying to imply that voting a Tory MP in will support the opposition Ruth's party provide in Holywood - I don't think it will, particularly. They are cynically conflating two separate things, whilst refusing to address many important issues. They are treating us like we are stupid, and I hope it wont pay off for them. (And no, I am not calling people stupid for the way they vote before I get accused of that. My point is about the attitude of the Tory campaign, not the voters.)

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 08/05/2017 20:16

The party. But happily he's been our mp since the last one and he's really trying..

Riversleep · 08/05/2017 20:09

I don't know who the hell the Labour candidate is. We have a slim Tory majority in a remain voting area. The Tories as far as I can see are the only ones bothering to turn up. I'm not happy with Labour. I'd prefer to vote lib dem but I will probably vote Labour as they are second and could oust the Tory MP if they could be bothered Angry

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