You should be ashamed of yourself if you vote Tory and…

Of all the politicians, he is one of very few who stick to their principles, and truly believes in democracy.

Um, that's the problem - Corbyn's principles may be deeply felt but they are airy-fairy nonsense. If you think the country is screwed under the Tories, just wait to see what he and Diane would do to it.

Not voting Tory btw but certainly not Labour either. Never until he gets out.

Agreed Radishal. I don't think a Tory victory can be avoided but I think it can be lessened... this sort of sneering, angry attempt at shaming people isn't going to help at all though.

I'm with you OP

"This is not going to persuade Tory voters to change their minds, which is what any Labour person worth their salt should be focusing on."
Unlikely to get many pissed off with Corbyn Labour voters either

This is not going to persuade Tory voters to change their minds, which is what any Labour person worth their salt should be focusing on.

Have children educated at state school
Yes

Use the NHS for ANY reason
Yes but had to have my gallbladder taken out privately as my op was cancelled 3 times

Have children considering going to university
Not sure yet.

Have elderly parents who will require state support
Yes

Use public transport
No

Are a teacher, health professional, public sector worker
No

Live in rented accommodation
No

Are a low paid worker
No - am a sahm and Dh is a higher rate tax payer.

And yet....I still couldn't vote Tory.

Just goes to show. There are people who would answer yes to all of these questions and still vote Tory.

god help them

He shook Gerry Adams hand because he was an attention seeking back bencher who loves pissing people off and playing to his followers. He was not involved in the peace process and should have been defending U.K. parliamentary democracy against murderous twats not shaking IRA supporters by the hand.

Have children educated at state school
No
Use the NHS for ANY reason
Yes but had private mastectomy

Have children considering going to university
We paid for them
Have elderly parents who will require state support
No
Use public transport
No
Are a teacher, health professional, public sector worker
No
Live in rented accommodation
No
Are a low paid worker
No

You are a hypocrite of the highest order No you are Na na na na na

But it achieved peace ultimately, in a way you could never achieve through violence. People don't seem to get pacifism. He wasn't glorifying what they'd done - he wanted a resolution to all the violence.

"Of all the politicians, he is one of very few who stick to their principles, and truly believes in democracy."
He believes in it so much, he shook the hand of Gerry Adams just after the IRA tried to kill the entire UK government in Brighton. I hated the Tories with a passion and I hope for a united Ireland someday but I wouldn't have shaken that bastard's hand just after one of the biggest attacks on democracy.

I agree with you entirely OP.
Too many people read the right-wing press (pretty much every paper) and believe all the Corbyn-bashing. Of all the politicians, he is one of very few who stick to their principles, and truly believes in democracy.

So many people these days vote for a leader; I think they think we live in the US.

You should be voting for policies, not personalities - it's no wonder people think Tory voters are thick.

Also, the Tories have been privatising the NHS for years now, and under-funding the rest of it. Why can't people see this? It really makes me despair.

As for needing a strong and stable economy? That's a joke - the country is in a far worse state than when they took over.

The only way to improve this country is to

1. Increase taxes
2. Tax the very wealthy who contribute nothing to the economy eg non-residents who buy huge mansions and leave them empty)
3. Invest in our people. Why are nurses having to start paying £9k a year to train.

Tory policy is ALWAYS short-termist and relies upon the unfair electoral system in this country. More people voted AGAINST the Tories in the last election. How can that be democracy?

Some of these comments about "strong and stable blah blah" are proof that if someone repeats something enough, people start believing it.

The Tories have trashed this country and encouraged a right-wing bias and quite frankly, if UKIP voters are defecting to the Tories, all those who vote Conservative should be questioning themselves and their judgements.

I'm so bored of hearing the same soundbite of "strong and stable" when really it should be "reward the rich and punish the poor".

Tha nazi party was neither a conservative nor a liberal movement

So the Tory party are like the Nazis then?

Just the same as Nazi Germany.

Ridiculous argument.

Radishal

But the Labor party values are basically the same socialist ideas??

Venezuela? Chavez? Are you kidding me?
Corrupt. Brutal. Money flushed away.

Carolinesbeanies

Yep. Rather than a rich poor divide, I think op wants to spread the wealth so everyone is equally poor.

Venezuela is a socialist society that we can use as a example to learn from

Hilarious - this is surely a spoof?
If the OP is serious - they are completely blinkered about real life and real people. Do you really think the massive landslide yesterday was all 'rich bankers' voting?
No wonder Labour Party has imploded if there if is populated by people who genuinely 'reason' like the OP.

Ylvamoon, in relation to "Why can't people take responsibility for themselves?" looking after people who need looking after is the hallmark of a civilised society and makes economic sense, and makes for a nicer social environment for everyone (or would you want to return to the days of stepping over child beggars or child chimney sweeps, people on the edge of desperation all around you...?)

Lovely Tony Blair raised interest rates in1997, we had just moved and really struggled. My dh earned too much on paper (not massive salary) but just over benefit level. I had young 3 dc We were really hard up so I don't think much to them.

How did I miss this thread?! LOL. OP, you must be Russian? Youre very simplistically describing a communist state. But carry on, youre utterly entitled to your view, and if communisms your bag, then so be it. Just dont be surprised that your communist leaders use private health and education. But these are very good questions for the vast majority of sitting Labour MPs.....

theworld And a lot of those things were introduced by Liberal governments. What's your point?

OP - you are outraged.

Stop for one minute and try to see things out the MN bubble.

Singapore is seen as classic capitalism. Over 90% of Singaporeans live in social housing.

theconversation.com/one-hundred-and-fifty-ways-the-nanny-state-is-good-for-us-15587