You should be ashamed of yourself if you vote Tory and…

Noone can bang on about Diane Abbott being a buffoon while ignoring the fact BoJo was made foreign secretary, without being an enormous hypocrite.

Yes, and what did the tories do with Boris, took him into the cabinet and made sure he wasn't on the back benches plotting. They managed the situation to ensure the best for their party. Note I did not say best for the country. On the whole Tories are good at managing their party divisions, Europe is/was at the heart of their divisions, but the referendum did not tear them apart. They are good at politics. (This does not mean I support their policies or vote for them). It is why they will win.

Whileweareonthesubject two words for you.

Boris Johnson.

People vote for a wide variety of reasons. State schools and NHS are high on mist people's agenda I belive but it does not necessarily follow that labour will keep these safe any more than the Torres. Whilst the Tory government talks of cuts or rationalisation and have indeed made changes to both the NHS and education that have caused havoc the Labour Party is speaking of free school meals fir all primary children which does not redistribute money in favour of those with low incomes, equally the cutting of benefits by the Torres can real release funds.

I think the OP works for the Labour Party and this thread is a misguided part of the election strategy.
I use public services, I pay for them through my tax. I will vote Tory.
You could never of me enough to vote for Corbyn. He is a dangerous idiot. Corbyn as PM? Diane Abbott as Home Sec. Are you mad OP?

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I am a floating voter who has never voted the same way two elections in a row. I work in education and well remember that it was Gordon Brown who froze our pay in 2008. Our school was also not especially well funded as we weren't in an inner London borough. As a result, we were short on resources, both 'things'and staff.
One of my dcs needed hospital treatment which was put off and put off until our local MP got involved in our behalf. We finally got sorted over two years after the initial referral. My other DC was offered a place in a sixth form (our area has few school based sixth forms, we have a central sixth form college instead) which had to be withdrawn due to funding issues. DC ended up at the dire sixth form college instead. There were issues with finding nhs dentists - I remember pictures in the press showing queues of people trying to register when a new nhs dentist opened in Scarborough in the early 2000's. Labour also abolished MIRAS, declaring it a 'middle class perk' - that would be the same middle class who had purchased their council houses under the tidy 'right to buy' scheme. In this are that was mostly working class people who were living in the council houses that made up over 50% of local property and working on the production line at the huge car company down the road.

I'm not defending either side. Just saying that neither has an entirely blemish free record.

And those saying it shouldn't be about personalities - of course that matters. Could anyone truly be happy voting for a party who sends one of its most senior MPs to do a radio interview so woefully unprepared as DA was this week and then allows her to give another dreadful interview on the night of the local elections? And a leader who seems to think that's acceptable? A leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party and yet clings to the leadership like a limpet, claiming he's there because his members want him there? At the time of his initial election to the position there were suggestions that many Tory voters joined the labour party purely to vote for JC so they could make Labour unelectable. TBH, it seems they may have succeeded.

Was it perhaps for some self serving bollocks reason?

I expect so. It pisses me off the way people put him in the same bracket as Blair (and Major), who actually presided over the negotiation of the Good Friday Agreement.

radishal I should have also said that no, I am not going to do anything to save you the bother though! Read it yourself if you are interested.

I know what he says about the good Friday agreement. He was wrong though wasn't he. The trouble is those of us who have been involved in the Labour party for what feels like a hundred years, know corbyn and his cronies. We have known them for a long long time. Kinnock did a fairly good job of getting rid of them in the eighties. There were good reasons for that cull. So you see none of it is a surprise to us, the misogyny, the anti semitism, the obsession with ideology over actually getting elected. We have an advantage over you, we know corbyn, we actually know who he is. I hope it explains his support for Assad on his Corbynanswers. It's funny I don't remember a blairanswers when he won all those elections.

I don't know, I haven't read it yet, but will later. The other bit I quoted was learned after googling what another poster had put on here.

Save us the bother. Why did he vote against the Good Friday Agreement? Which, as I recall, the front bench asked him to support.
Was it perhaps for some self serving bollocks reason?

birdsdestiny i just googled that and if you to a website called corbynanswers you will find a detailed answer from the horse's mouth.

i am not trying to vindicate anything one way or the other though

Why did he vote against the Good Friday agreement then.

"By the way, Corbyn has gone on record and said unequivocally that he was and is against all violence and bombing, but that he was also critical of how the UK govmt were initially handling things and wanted negotiated peace, in the period before the official peace process kicked off. Just reporting what he has said."

Straight after the worst act of anti democratic violence, the thing to say is "I abhor violence - this was an attack on our democracy ". Not , come here Jezza , I want a photo op to please my pals.

I think a lot of this thread is to do with fear rather than sneering. The cuts over the last few years have deeply affected many people's lives, and people have also been panicked by the mismanagement of the referendum before and after - the lack of clear info about all the issues, instead allowing people to only focus on immigration on the basis that Cameron couldn't bring himself to believe that the people would vote leave. The confusion since then. I have personally found the cuts terrifying even though at the moment I am not affected. In the past I would have been affected.

So I think a lot of it is fear rather than sneering.

I believe people should be allowed to vote how they believe without being manipulated or bullied.

But the manipulation and spin is all around and it is difficult to know the truth.

In 1992 i was a student and temping at British Coal Headquarters, and just before the election all the staff from managers to secretaries were saying they were voting Tory - because it was the party of strength and high moral standing and stability. It was widely assumed elsewhere that the mines would be closed but the staff didn't believe it. Shortly after the election, their workplace was closed and the mining communities became benefit communities. Things are not always what they seem.

But equally most of us haven't a clue what is really going on half the time.

By the way, Corbyn has gone on record and said unequivocally that he was and is against all violence and bombing, but that he was also critical of how the UK govmt were initially handling things and wanted negotiated peace, in the period before the official peace process kicked off. Just reporting what he has said.

When Labour stops spending, spending, spending and saddling this country with DEBT, with no thought to the future generations who will suffer - making this country more fragile in the long-run; an economic situation that will hit the poorest hardest, THEN I will consider voting Labour. They spend NOW for short-term gain and to help the needy, causing serious harm to future generations, who will have to pay for it.

I am not sure that the Tories are much different only the money doesn't seem to go on helping the needy. As well as borrowing money the Tories also seem to sell off assets - again the money doesn't seem to go to the needy

I certainly don't need anyone sneeringly telling me to be ashamed of myself.
Who I vote for is totally my business and none of yours.

Perhaps you might like to explain just how voting for Canute Corbyn would make the slightest bit of difference, as clearly thousands of his former supporters no longer have confidence in him or the party as demonstrated on Thursday?

Great post birds

Corbyn was not involved in the peace process, that was Blair, you know the one who won 3 elections but who according to the corbyn lot is somehow to blame for the current state of the Labour party. Do those calling tory voters all sorts of names understand how labour will ever win an election. They will persuade Tory voters to vote for them. So I am afraid you need the 'evil tories' to actually achieve anything. Or you can sit on the sidelines shouting. I am getting very tired explaining to the new members of the Labour party how our voting system works. It's pretty basic stuff.

Which they haven't

Ok if you explain how the Tories have reduced debt and spent less in last 7 years.

That's exactly how to it will work. Explain how this escalating debt is a good thing for the future then.

If the economy worked like that. But it doesn't

Really, really fed up with self-righteous lefties like OP, thinking that Labour is the only party that cares about the common good. Who believe their own extreme left-wing propaganda, seeking to demonise Tory voters as self-seeking greedy individuals. It is so ignorant of the reality and subtleties of politics.

When Labour stops spending, spending, spending and saddling this country with DEBT, with no thought to the future generations who will suffer - making this country more fragile in the long-run; an economic situation that will hit the poorest hardest, THEN I will consider voting Labour. They spend NOW for short-term gain and to help the needy, causing serious harm to future generations, who will have to pay for it.